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		By: An AI Target or Irreplaceable: Which Freelancer Are You? &#124; Words on the Page		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] people you know, the better your ability to score quality clients. Stay in touch with them, too. Here&#8217;s a link that gives you some [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] people you know, the better your ability to score quality clients. Stay in touch with them, too. Here&#8217;s a link that gives you some [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: DAVID D GEER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20646&quot;&gt;lwidmer&lt;/a&gt;.

No, it sure doesn&#039;t, Lori.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20646">lwidmer</a>.</p>
<p>No, it sure doesn&#8217;t, Lori.</p>
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		By: lwidmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20635&quot;&gt;DAVID D GEER&lt;/a&gt;.

That open call is always a red flag for me, David. It doesn&#039;t even sound good, does it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20635">DAVID D GEER</a>.</p>
<p>That open call is always a red flag for me, David. It doesn&#8217;t even sound good, does it?</p>
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		By: DAVID D GEER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good one, Lori. When they have to place an ad to get candidates, it&#039;s a good job. An open call brings in lots of applicants, so they can find one or a few that will put up with the hard work, long hours, and low pay. Carrot stick manipulation tricks are obvious and should be two red flags and a warning shot that you should run away from this offer fast!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Lori. When they have to place an ad to get candidates, it&#8217;s a good job. An open call brings in lots of applicants, so they can find one or a few that will put up with the hard work, long hours, and low pay. Carrot stick manipulation tricks are obvious and should be two red flags and a warning shot that you should run away from this offer fast!</p>
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		By: lwidmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20626&quot;&gt;Paula Hendrickson&lt;/a&gt;.

Yea Paula, that first one has me scratching my head, too. But it happens too often. I&#039;m not sure exactly what would cause them to go silent, but I&#039;m glad Company B has been a good one for you.

You&#039;re smart to follow up with the first bunch. You never know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wordsonpageblog.com/2021/03/freelance-writing-blog-65.html#comment-20626">Paula Hendrickson</a>.</p>
<p>Yea Paula, that first one has me scratching my head, too. But it happens too often. I&#8217;m not sure exactly what would cause them to go silent, but I&#8217;m glad Company B has been a good one for you.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re smart to follow up with the first bunch. You never know.</p>
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		By: Paula Hendrickson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had two very different experiences regarding pricing in recent months. Both were referrals.

Company A: I had nice, lengthy calls with top execs of a boutique marketing firm. A friend had referred me to them (and them to me) AFTER I&#039;d already contacted them after checking out their website. They said they loved my word. They loved my versatility. They asked my hourly rate. 

I told them I prefer per-project fees, since hourly rates penalize efficiency. I said with per-project fees both sides know how much the final total will be, and they won&#039;t be paying extra for slower workers. I said I base project rates on my ideal hourly rate. They pushed. I stated an hourly rate slightly above what I really wanted, adding &quot;Per-project rates also allow more room for negotiation.&quot;

They sent me a contract, NDA, and W9. The owner said they&#039;ll be in touch when something comes up. Crickets. I checked back a month or so later, they said business was slow but would be in touch. Meanwhile, I know the friend who&#039;d been writing for them for a couple years had to turn down work from them. I  checked back another time or two, same &quot;we&#039;re waiting for the right assignment.&quot; 

Company B needed monthly blog posts in an area I&#039;ve written about a bit, but isn&#039;t a specialty. The writer who connected us told me what she&#039;d earned per post, and let me know the scope of the posts. I knew this was a company that wasn&#039;t going to balk at my rate. And they didn&#039;t. 

Is all hope lost for Company A? Maybe not. But I&#039;m not going to beg for work. I might check in with them this spring to update them on my work, and remind them I exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had two very different experiences regarding pricing in recent months. Both were referrals.</p>
<p>Company A: I had nice, lengthy calls with top execs of a boutique marketing firm. A friend had referred me to them (and them to me) AFTER I&#8217;d already contacted them after checking out their website. They said they loved my word. They loved my versatility. They asked my hourly rate. </p>
<p>I told them I prefer per-project fees, since hourly rates penalize efficiency. I said with per-project fees both sides know how much the final total will be, and they won&#8217;t be paying extra for slower workers. I said I base project rates on my ideal hourly rate. They pushed. I stated an hourly rate slightly above what I really wanted, adding &#8220;Per-project rates also allow more room for negotiation.&#8221;</p>
<p>They sent me a contract, NDA, and W9. The owner said they&#8217;ll be in touch when something comes up. Crickets. I checked back a month or so later, they said business was slow but would be in touch. Meanwhile, I know the friend who&#8217;d been writing for them for a couple years had to turn down work from them. I  checked back another time or two, same &#8220;we&#8217;re waiting for the right assignment.&#8221; </p>
<p>Company B needed monthly blog posts in an area I&#8217;ve written about a bit, but isn&#8217;t a specialty. The writer who connected us told me what she&#8217;d earned per post, and let me know the scope of the posts. I knew this was a company that wasn&#8217;t going to balk at my rate. And they didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Is all hope lost for Company A? Maybe not. But I&#8217;m not going to beg for work. I might check in with them this spring to update them on my work, and remind them I exist.</p>
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		By: lwidmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an excellent way to state it, Gabriella! I&#039;m stealing that. :) What a time-saving move on your part!

If it&#039;s &quot;crass&quot; to address the elephant in the room, so be it. I think it&#039;s sensible. It would be like calling in a kitchen designer, having them walk you through all their plans, then telling them &quot;We have $5,000 budgeted for this.&quot; It&#039;s unfair to the designer, and it&#039;s a waste of everyone&#039;s time.

When they say you&#039;re ridiculously expensive, you know you made the right move! I&#039;ve been told that once or twice, and yet I had people paying that &quot;ridiculous&quot; price already, so it boils down to them being rude about it. Just say &quot;I&#039;m sorry, that&#039;s far outside of what we&#039;re able to pay.&quot; Is that so hard?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an excellent way to state it, Gabriella! I&#8217;m stealing that. 🙂 What a time-saving move on your part!</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s &#8220;crass&#8221; to address the elephant in the room, so be it. I think it&#8217;s sensible. It would be like calling in a kitchen designer, having them walk you through all their plans, then telling them &#8220;We have $5,000 budgeted for this.&#8221; It&#8217;s unfair to the designer, and it&#8217;s a waste of everyone&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>When they say you&#8217;re ridiculously expensive, you know you made the right move! I&#8217;ve been told that once or twice, and yet I had people paying that &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; price already, so it boils down to them being rude about it. Just say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s far outside of what we&#8217;re able to pay.&#8221; Is that so hard?</p>
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		By: Gabriella		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re such a pro, Lori.

I, too, find the money discussion important up front rather than several calls/emails in. I&#039;ve had waaaaay too many people truly underestimate what the necessary rate for a skilled professional writer.

So I broach money on my first response. If it&#039;s crass, oh, well.

When someone reaches out, I say something like, &quot;Thanks for reaching out. I&#039;d love to talk to you more about what you&#039;re looking for and whether we&#039;re a good fit. I charge ____ per hour. If that is within your budget, let&#039;s set up a time to talk.&quot;

I&#039;ve had people come back and say, &quot;But we can pay only this much,&quot; and that&#039;s fair. We can talk if it&#039;s a project that works for both of us. But I&#039;ve also had people essentially say I&#039;m ridiculously expensive. I don&#039;t argue, but I do think to myself: &quot;Dude, I didn&#039;t reach out to you. You reached out to me.&quot;

But I learned about five years ago not to bid against myself by lowballing an initial number to get clients. I was going to give a price to a client. I really wanted X, but I was afraid she could afford only a much-lower Y. I kept going back and forth in my head over which to lead with. Finally, I told myself: &quot;Charge what you&#039;re worth. Then see what the client says.&quot; I gave her the higher amount. She didn&#039;t blink and accepted without hesitation.

Now I just state my rate and move on.

Thanks for another great blog, Lori!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re such a pro, Lori.</p>
<p>I, too, find the money discussion important up front rather than several calls/emails in. I&#8217;ve had waaaaay too many people truly underestimate what the necessary rate for a skilled professional writer.</p>
<p>So I broach money on my first response. If it&#8217;s crass, oh, well.</p>
<p>When someone reaches out, I say something like, &#8220;Thanks for reaching out. I&#8217;d love to talk to you more about what you&#8217;re looking for and whether we&#8217;re a good fit. I charge ____ per hour. If that is within your budget, let&#8217;s set up a time to talk.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had people come back and say, &#8220;But we can pay only this much,&#8221; and that&#8217;s fair. We can talk if it&#8217;s a project that works for both of us. But I&#8217;ve also had people essentially say I&#8217;m ridiculously expensive. I don&#8217;t argue, but I do think to myself: &#8220;Dude, I didn&#8217;t reach out to you. You reached out to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I learned about five years ago not to bid against myself by lowballing an initial number to get clients. I was going to give a price to a client. I really wanted X, but I was afraid she could afford only a much-lower Y. I kept going back and forth in my head over which to lead with. Finally, I told myself: &#8220;Charge what you&#8217;re worth. Then see what the client says.&#8221; I gave her the higher amount. She didn&#8217;t blink and accepted without hesitation.</p>
<p>Now I just state my rate and move on.</p>
<p>Thanks for another great blog, Lori!</p>
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