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		By: Lori Widmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori Widmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon, I think it&#039;s a great idea if it&#039;s something you&#039;re passionate about, which clearly you are. :) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&#039;t blame you on the aspiring novelists. It&#039;s usually that segment of the population that most needs a strong edit. I&#039;ve slowed down my editing in that area because I got a bit weary of having people argue my edits and get offended because I changed their words. I take serious clients, and if they&#039;re not serious about getting a professional opinion and help, then they&#039;re throwing away their money and my time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, I think it&#39;s a great idea if it&#39;s something you&#39;re passionate about, which clearly you are. 🙂 </p>
<p>Don&#39;t blame you on the aspiring novelists. It&#39;s usually that segment of the population that most needs a strong edit. I&#39;ve slowed down my editing in that area because I got a bit weary of having people argue my edits and get offended because I changed their words. I take serious clients, and if they&#39;re not serious about getting a professional opinion and help, then they&#39;re throwing away their money and my time.</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, my pro-bono client has a staff of 2 1/2, they&#039;re not paid a lot, and most of the $$ raised goes directly to their mission, which I believe in, so it&#039;s worked out.  Plus, the work I do for them I use in my portfolio, and those have landed me some excellent other jobs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I no longer give aspiring novelists a discount.  What most of them really want is someone to tell them they&#039;re brilliant and clean up their messy, lazy structure for free.  They don&#039;t appreciate the time, skill, and work it takes to do a good edit, and aren&#039;t interesting in learning the craft well enough to self-edit.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d rather spend that time on my own work, or on clients who actually understand my skills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, my pro-bono client has a staff of 2 1/2, they&#39;re not paid a lot, and most of the $$ raised goes directly to their mission, which I believe in, so it&#39;s worked out.  Plus, the work I do for them I use in my portfolio, and those have landed me some excellent other jobs.</p>
<p>But I no longer give aspiring novelists a discount.  What most of them really want is someone to tell them they&#39;re brilliant and clean up their messy, lazy structure for free.  They don&#39;t appreciate the time, skill, and work it takes to do a good edit, and aren&#39;t interesting in learning the craft well enough to self-edit.  </p>
<p>I&#39;d rather spend that time on my own work, or on clients who actually understand my skills.</p>
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		By: Lori Widmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori Widmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paula, likewise. It&#039;s much more lucrative (and less stressful) to work one-on-one with individual clients.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jenn, I like how you blazed trails. It does make sense in those types of situations to give discounts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My pro bono stuff these days is directly related to family. You can&#039;t charge your mother. Well, you could, but she might not pay. :)&lt;br /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula, likewise. It&#39;s much more lucrative (and less stressful) to work one-on-one with individual clients.</p>
<p>Jenn, I like how you blazed trails. It does make sense in those types of situations to give discounts.</p>
<p>My pro bono stuff these days is directly related to family. You can&#39;t charge your mother. Well, you could, but she might not pay. 🙂</p>
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		By: Jennifer Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These days discounts are very rare for me. I have one long-time client on discounted rate, but they&#039;re pretty close to my current rates and the hourly usually works out better. That&#039;s the key for me. I have to know what the hourly works out to. And it&#039;s not enough for a lower project rate to equal my hourly target. It would have to exceed it. As we gain experience and get faster, we should be paid more per hour, not less. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was starting out I did offer occasional discounts, but it was for a combination of consulting and writing at the time. I was one of the earlier folks specializing in my area, and  clients were used to the $5 article crowd. They had a lot to learn about PR writing. I taught them what I could. I earned their trust. But budgets were often a touchy subject. So I&#039;d offer discounts on first projects to pull them in. And most of those clients kept coming back (at my normal rates) once they saw what hiring a pro could actually do for them. In that sense, it depends heavily on your market. I wouldn&#039;t suggest the same these days for most writers simply because clients are more aware of the low vs pro issues. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I almost never take on pro bono projects for nonprofits. I worked with a major international nonprofit before starting my business. And I saw how much waste there was first-hand. Knowing what these folks can throw money away on, they can pay me if they want my services. Any exception would have to be something very small and something my heart is in 100% -- such as helping a local animal shelter or lending a hand with an organization that supports writers and other artists (which is why I&#039;m happy to volunteer to help out with a writer&#039;s organization I&#039;m a member of). Beyond that, it&#039;s a no-go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days discounts are very rare for me. I have one long-time client on discounted rate, but they&#39;re pretty close to my current rates and the hourly usually works out better. That&#39;s the key for me. I have to know what the hourly works out to. And it&#39;s not enough for a lower project rate to equal my hourly target. It would have to exceed it. As we gain experience and get faster, we should be paid more per hour, not less. </p>
<p>When I was starting out I did offer occasional discounts, but it was for a combination of consulting and writing at the time. I was one of the earlier folks specializing in my area, and  clients were used to the $5 article crowd. They had a lot to learn about PR writing. I taught them what I could. I earned their trust. But budgets were often a touchy subject. So I&#39;d offer discounts on first projects to pull them in. And most of those clients kept coming back (at my normal rates) once they saw what hiring a pro could actually do for them. In that sense, it depends heavily on your market. I wouldn&#39;t suggest the same these days for most writers simply because clients are more aware of the low vs pro issues. </p>
<p>I almost never take on pro bono projects for nonprofits. I worked with a major international nonprofit before starting my business. And I saw how much waste there was first-hand. Knowing what these folks can throw money away on, they can pay me if they want my services. Any exception would have to be something very small and something my heart is in 100% &#8212; such as helping a local animal shelter or lending a hand with an organization that supports writers and other artists (which is why I&#39;m happy to volunteer to help out with a writer&#39;s organization I&#39;m a member of). Beyond that, it&#39;s a no-go.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 21:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s been about two years since I did any resumes for a resume company. Now I just do them here and there, totally word-of-mouth. In fact, I have a new resume to start as soon as 1) he sends his info and 2) the check clears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s been about two years since I did any resumes for a resume company. Now I just do them here and there, totally word-of-mouth. In fact, I have a new resume to start as soon as 1) he sends his info and 2) the check clears.</p>
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		By: Lori Widmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori Widmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freelance MBA -- great phrase, Jake. :) Sounds like you made a good decision on the more recent situation, though. Sometimes you just want to help someone out because of the way they treat you and who they are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh Paula, I know what you mean about what resume companies pay! I gave that up ages ago because the really good rate was suddenly cut in half with some flimsy excuses being repackaged as &#034;opportunities&#034; for us to get more work. Right. Next!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freelance MBA &#8212; great phrase, Jake. 🙂 Sounds like you made a good decision on the more recent situation, though. Sometimes you just want to help someone out because of the way they treat you and who they are.</p>
<p>Oh Paula, I know what you mean about what resume companies pay! I gave that up ages ago because the really good rate was suddenly cut in half with some flimsy excuses being repackaged as &quot;opportunities&quot; for us to get more work. Right. Next!</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After I&#039;d done resumes a while, I started doing them on the side, too. I didn&#039;t have the same volume of work so I wrote free resumes for my brother and a friend, who then referred me to their friends and co-workers. I offered slight discounts to those first referrals, but my discounted rate was still more than the resume company paid me per resume.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...not that I do very many resumes anymore. (The skills I developed by writing resumes sure come in handy sometimes, though!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I&#39;d done resumes a while, I started doing them on the side, too. I didn&#39;t have the same volume of work so I wrote free resumes for my brother and a friend, who then referred me to their friends and co-workers. I offered slight discounts to those first referrals, but my discounted rate was still more than the resume company paid me per resume.</p>
<p>&#8230;not that I do very many resumes anymore. (The skills I developed by writing resumes sure come in handy sometimes, though!)</p>
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		By: Jake Poinier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake Poinier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I pretty much reserve this for the good/longtime crowd. I recently ran into this with one of the magazines for which I&#039;ve been a regular contributor for about 10 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Long story short, the organization is now subcontracting the editor to produce the magazine, and she had to trim the budget to get the contract. Luckily, the rates were already good, so I was willing to help out my friend and took a 15% haircut along with her as she launches her business. It&#039;s steady work and cool topics, and she&#039;s hoping to increase the budgets over time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regrets? I&#039;ve had a few, mostly early on, and situations that really I just chalk up as part of the Freelance MBA curriculum!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I pretty much reserve this for the good/longtime crowd. I recently ran into this with one of the magazines for which I&#39;ve been a regular contributor for about 10 years.</p>
<p>Long story short, the organization is now subcontracting the editor to produce the magazine, and she had to trim the budget to get the contract. Luckily, the rates were already good, so I was willing to help out my friend and took a 15% haircut along with her as she launches her business. It&#39;s steady work and cool topics, and she&#39;s hoping to increase the budgets over time.</p>
<p>Regrets? I&#39;ve had a few, mostly early on, and situations that really I just chalk up as part of the Freelance MBA curriculum!</p>
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		By: Lori Widmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori Widmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a fantastic approach, Eileen. Super concession -- discount in exchange for full payment. That separates the men from the boys, so to speak!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s a fantastic approach, Eileen. Super concession &#8212; discount in exchange for full payment. That separates the men from the boys, so to speak!</p>
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		By: Eileen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If a client wants a discount, I try to get a concession on their end -- 100% payment up front, a more fluid deadline, etc. But rarely do I offer a 1st time client a discount; if I do, I&#039;ve checked them out thoroughly, there&#039;s a strong possibility of a long-term relationship, and they&#039;re clear that moving forward my normal rates will apply. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a client wants a discount, I try to get a concession on their end &#8212; 100% payment up front, a more fluid deadline, etc. But rarely do I offer a 1st time client a discount; if I do, I&#39;ve checked them out thoroughly, there&#39;s a strong possibility of a long-term relationship, and they&#39;re clear that moving forward my normal rates will apply. </p>
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