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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joni, thanks for commenting. I get what you&#039;re saying about the comment offending you. However, hear me out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may have understood the job to be writing and, loosely defined, it was. However, what Demand wanted more was the content -- the keywords and the bulk of articles. Even if you and writers like you gave them terrific content, they really didn&#039;t care about that. They cared about volume.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Joni, you yourself were writing, as were many writers just like you trying to give them quality in a quantity-based world. There&#039;s another way, as you&#039;re finding out. It&#039;s not easy by any means, but it&#039;s worth it. I&#039;m glad you gave it your all. I&#039;m sorry they didn&#039;t. It&#039;s a learning experience, right? Not every job will be one we care to repeat or debate. Lord knows I&#039;ve had my share of low-paying nightmare jobs. The idea is to use that bad experience as incentive to move ahead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joni, thanks for commenting. I get what you&#39;re saying about the comment offending you. However, hear me out.</p>
<p>You may have understood the job to be writing and, loosely defined, it was. However, what Demand wanted more was the content &#8212; the keywords and the bulk of articles. Even if you and writers like you gave them terrific content, they really didn&#39;t care about that. They cared about volume.</p>
<p>Joni, you yourself were writing, as were many writers just like you trying to give them quality in a quantity-based world. There&#39;s another way, as you&#39;re finding out. It&#39;s not easy by any means, but it&#39;s worth it. I&#39;m glad you gave it your all. I&#39;m sorry they didn&#39;t. It&#39;s a learning experience, right? Not every job will be one we care to repeat or debate. Lord knows I&#39;ve had my share of low-paying nightmare jobs. The idea is to use that bad experience as incentive to move ahead.</p>
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		By: Joni		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to write for a short while at Demand and after only 8 articles I quit. I take exception with the comment, &#034; If you can&#039;t get work at a content farm (and it&#039;s not really writing you&#039;re doing there anyway), where can you look to earn some money and build a career?&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was &#034;really writing&#034;. My subject was health specifically, mental disorders as I was a counselor for the mentally disabled. I was paid $35.00 per 400-500 words with 4 scientific journal type references required. I did not like the low pay and the &#034;editors&#034; were horrible. It depended on their mood for the day whether you had to do a rewrite or not. However, I put as much work into the articles as I did my papers I wrote while getting my master&#039;s degree. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Demand was my first pay to write. It wasn&#039;t much pay but I did work hard on my articles and felt like I did a good job. So much so that I had to quit Demand because the editors were not on the same page with each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was excited to get paid for writing. I never cared for getting my name out there and when I am well enough to start working again will probably use a pen name. I would rather not be known.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never read any articles on Demand except for the ones related to my subjects. I do not like content mills but when I first found them when I was just beginning to write I gave it my all. I thought I was writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to write for a short while at Demand and after only 8 articles I quit. I take exception with the comment, &quot; If you can&#39;t get work at a content farm (and it&#39;s not really writing you&#39;re doing there anyway), where can you look to earn some money and build a career?&quot;</p>
<p>I was &quot;really writing&quot;. My subject was health specifically, mental disorders as I was a counselor for the mentally disabled. I was paid $35.00 per 400-500 words with 4 scientific journal type references required. I did not like the low pay and the &quot;editors&quot; were horrible. It depended on their mood for the day whether you had to do a rewrite or not. However, I put as much work into the articles as I did my papers I wrote while getting my master&#39;s degree. </p>
<p>Demand was my first pay to write. It wasn&#39;t much pay but I did work hard on my articles and felt like I did a good job. So much so that I had to quit Demand because the editors were not on the same page with each other.</p>
<p>I was excited to get paid for writing. I never cared for getting my name out there and when I am well enough to start working again will probably use a pen name. I would rather not be known.</p>
<p>I never read any articles on Demand except for the ones related to my subjects. I do not like content mills but when I first found them when I was just beginning to write I gave it my all. I thought I was writing.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2013/12/snowfall-and-demands-fa.html#comment-12623</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 19:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good question, Paula. I&#039;ve always viewed those kinds of tweets as reminders that you&#039;re a working writer. It also serves to show them some of the things you&#039;re able to handle. I don&#039;t necessarily get the &#034;too busy&#034; message as much as I get the &#034;in demand&#034; one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Paula. I&#39;ve always viewed those kinds of tweets as reminders that you&#39;re a working writer. It also serves to show them some of the things you&#39;re able to handle. I don&#39;t necessarily get the &quot;too busy&quot; message as much as I get the &quot;in demand&quot; one.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2013/12/snowfall-and-demands-fa.html#comment-12622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I Tweeted a link to the Variety piece last week because I was glad to see some mainstream vindication for what we&#039;ve been saying all along.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it was in the Weekend Update section of SNL where a guest commentator was introduced as an &#034;unpaid&#034; contributor to HuffPo. Loved it. Doonesbury has also been hammering away about HuffPo&#039;s unpaid writers for a couple years. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lori, when you mentioned Twitter updates, it reminded me of a conversation I had with another writer. I&#039;ll occasionally note on LinkedIn that my schedule will be opening as soon as my current projects are completed. My friend uses updates to note everything she&#039;s currently working on - sometimes it&#039;s five or six things. To me, that says, &#034;I&#039;m too busy to take on new assignments,&#034; but she says it lets potential clients know she&#039;s in demand. I&#039;m curious which side others here fall on with that argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Tweeted a link to the Variety piece last week because I was glad to see some mainstream vindication for what we&#39;ve been saying all along.</p>
<p>I think it was in the Weekend Update section of SNL where a guest commentator was introduced as an &quot;unpaid&quot; contributor to HuffPo. Loved it. Doonesbury has also been hammering away about HuffPo&#39;s unpaid writers for a couple years. </p>
<p>Lori, when you mentioned Twitter updates, it reminded me of a conversation I had with another writer. I&#39;ll occasionally note on LinkedIn that my schedule will be opening as soon as my current projects are completed. My friend uses updates to note everything she&#39;s currently working on &#8211; sometimes it&#39;s five or six things. To me, that says, &quot;I&#39;m too busy to take on new assignments,&quot; but she says it lets potential clients know she&#39;s in demand. I&#39;m curious which side others here fall on with that argument.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you in that lack of understanding -- you&#039;d think they would have an even larger stake in Demand&#039;s impact on the market. Yet they&#039;re just now reporting it? Seems to me there was a lot of ignoring of the fact that the emperor was naked. And I supect (hope) HuffPo goes the same direction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m with you in that lack of understanding &#8212; you&#39;d think they would have an even larger stake in Demand&#39;s impact on the market. Yet they&#39;re just now reporting it? Seems to me there was a lot of ignoring of the fact that the emperor was naked. And I supect (hope) HuffPo goes the same direction.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2013/12/snowfall-and-demands-fa.html#comment-12620</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With Demand, it&#039;s about damn time!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried commenting on the Variety article earlier this morning, but for some reason it kept bouncing me out of their system. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can&#039;t understand why it&#039;s taken larger media outlets so long to see what freelancers (and bloggers in related areas) have been saying for years. It was a lousy business model. They had too many eggs in the Google basket. And it wasn&#039;t going to last. This shouldn&#039;t be news. They were hardly the first content mill to learn this lesson the hard way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Demand, it&#39;s about damn time!</p>
<p>I tried commenting on the Variety article earlier this morning, but for some reason it kept bouncing me out of their system. </p>
<p>I can&#39;t understand why it&#39;s taken larger media outlets so long to see what freelancers (and bloggers in related areas) have been saying for years. It was a lousy business model. They had too many eggs in the Google basket. And it wasn&#39;t going to last. This shouldn&#39;t be news. They were hardly the first content mill to learn this lesson the hard way.</p>
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