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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That IS bizarre, Jake! I wouldn&#039;t have expected it, either. Wow. Glad it worked out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Agreed, Paula. Though I will say I&#039;ve had good luck in one instance with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wendy, I wish I could bottle you and sell your wisdom to those who think they need a posse. :) Well said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That IS bizarre, Jake! I wouldn&#39;t have expected it, either. Wow. Glad it worked out.</p>
<p>Agreed, Paula. Though I will say I&#39;ve had good luck in one instance with it.</p>
<p>Wendy, I wish I could bottle you and sell your wisdom to those who think they need a posse. 🙂 Well said.</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole posse thing drives me nuts. If I&#039;m spending a lot of money on something, like a used car, I would want a second opinion. But, I would bring someone knowledgeable about cars to look it over. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a lot of these cases, the second opinion person ends up being their sister-in-law, who sends text messages to their friends, daily. Somehow that makes her the expert over me. That&#039;s when it gets on my nerves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole posse thing drives me nuts. If I&#39;m spending a lot of money on something, like a used car, I would want a second opinion. But, I would bring someone knowledgeable about cars to look it over. </p>
<p>In a lot of these cases, the second opinion person ends up being their sister-in-law, who sends text messages to their friends, daily. Somehow that makes her the expert over me. That&#39;s when it gets on my nerves.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve done some sub-contract editing, with no direct access to the client. It&#039;s like having both hands tied behind your back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I asked my client if it was possible for me to work directly with her client, she said she&#039;d prefer that, too, but her client was a Fortune 100 company that required all outside vendors to go through a rigorous approval process that can take several weeks, but since she was already approved she could hire me herself and still meet the deadline.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, I got paid the same rate. I would have preferred direct access to the client, but it&#039;s their inefficient system, not mine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve done some sub-contract editing, with no direct access to the client. It&#39;s like having both hands tied behind your back.</p>
<p>When I asked my client if it was possible for me to work directly with her client, she said she&#39;d prefer that, too, but her client was a Fortune 100 company that required all outside vendors to go through a rigorous approval process that can take several weeks, but since she was already approved she could hire me herself and still meet the deadline.</p>
<p>Either way, I got paid the same rate. I would have preferred direct access to the client, but it&#39;s their inefficient system, not mine.</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The no-posse clause is a good idea. Frankly, it didn&#039;t even occur to me that something like that could happen in this particular circumstance. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, I was writing a Q&#038;A for a guy to appear in a trade magazine. I recorded the whole interview, so pretty much anything I wrote was exactly as he said it--with grammar corrections as needed to smooth things out while retaining his voice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I attribute his desire to send it around to unfamiliarity with editorial etiquette rather than malice. Anyway, it all turned out OK and he was happy with the final product...just a little more byzantine than I prefer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no-posse clause is a good idea. Frankly, it didn&#39;t even occur to me that something like that could happen in this particular circumstance. </p>
<p>Basically, I was writing a Q&amp;A for a guy to appear in a trade magazine. I recorded the whole interview, so pretty much anything I wrote was exactly as he said it&#8211;with grammar corrections as needed to smooth things out while retaining his voice.</p>
<p>I attribute his desire to send it around to unfamiliarity with editorial etiquette rather than malice. Anyway, it all turned out OK and he was happy with the final product&#8230;just a little more byzantine than I prefer.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jake, I have a very clear no-posse clause in my contracts. If there&#039;s a third party giving an opinion, they have to be named at the outset in the contract. Otherwise, it&#039;s a voided contract and I&#039;m owed cash.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Currently I work with a PR person whose clients don&#039;t know I exist. She realized her skills lie in marketing and branding - not writing. I&#039;m fine with that because she handles the clients and she and I have a great relationship. It can work. It just requires a strong relationship with the client and the understanding that misunderstandings will happen and I should be given the chance to fix it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, I have a very clear no-posse clause in my contracts. If there&#39;s a third party giving an opinion, they have to be named at the outset in the contract. Otherwise, it&#39;s a voided contract and I&#39;m owed cash.</p>
<p>Currently I work with a PR person whose clients don&#39;t know I exist. She realized her skills lie in marketing and branding &#8211; not writing. I&#39;m fine with that because she handles the clients and she and I have a great relationship. It can work. It just requires a strong relationship with the client and the understanding that misunderstandings will happen and I should be given the chance to fix it.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon, I agree with that premise entirely. But there have been times when I&#039;ve been hired at my rate and there&#039;s been a third party involved. It happens. Most times it works, but there were those few times it went horribly wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m like you, Anne. I like working directly with people. It does cut out a lot of misinterpretation and miscommunication. But there have been those times when corporates hire me to please their clients. I&#039;m okay with that as long as my rates are met and I have access to those clients. The few times I didn&#039;t have access, it all blew up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, I agree with that premise entirely. But there have been times when I&#39;ve been hired at my rate and there&#39;s been a third party involved. It happens. Most times it works, but there were those few times it went horribly wrong.</p>
<p>I&#39;m like you, Anne. I like working directly with people. It does cut out a lot of misinterpretation and miscommunication. But there have been those times when corporates hire me to please their clients. I&#39;m okay with that as long as my rates are met and I have access to those clients. The few times I didn&#39;t have access, it all blew up.</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being a third party is like trying to do surgery with mittens on. (And I say that as a quasi-healthcare professional, haha.) I won&#039;t do it for very long without weaseling my way into a direct relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s a bit of a flipside to the Freelance Follies video I promised the other day and put together yesterday--&lt;a href=&quot;http://deardrfreelance.com/2011/10/freelance-follies-a-second-opinion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#034;A Second Opinion&#034;&lt;/a&gt;--with a client who decided to overcomplicate the approval process by dragging a bunch of outsiders into it. Drives me nuts!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a third party is like trying to do surgery with mittens on. (And I say that as a quasi-healthcare professional, haha.) I won&#39;t do it for very long without weaseling my way into a direct relationship.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a bit of a flipside to the Freelance Follies video I promised the other day and put together yesterday&#8211;<a href="http://deardrfreelance.com/2011/10/freelance-follies-a-second-opinion/" rel="nofollow">&quot;A Second Opinion&quot;</a>&#8211;with a client who decided to overcomplicate the approval process by dragging a bunch of outsiders into it. Drives me nuts!</p>
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		By: Anne Wayman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Wayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee, didn&#039;t realize you&#039;d been looking for an html editor... I use komposer through firefox&#039;s seamonkey... not great, but it works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d so much rather work directly with the client - when it gets interpreted it usually goes, if not wrong, at least not right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who won&#039;t let us deal direct are afraid and I&#039;d rather not work with them either come to think about it. I&#039;ve never stolen a client and I&#039;ll bet you haven&#039;t either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;hugs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, didn&#39;t realize you&#39;d been looking for an html editor&#8230; I use komposer through firefox&#39;s seamonkey&#8230; not great, but it works.</p>
<p>I&#39;d so much rather work directly with the client &#8211; when it gets interpreted it usually goes, if not wrong, at least not right.</p>
<p>Those who won&#39;t let us deal direct are afraid and I&#39;d rather not work with them either come to think about it. I&#39;ve never stolen a client and I&#39;ll bet you haven&#39;t either.</p>
<p>hugs</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My solution:  don&#039;t subcontract.  I deal directly with clients, not the client of a client.  No middleman.  Better rates, better communication, less b.s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My solution:  don&#39;t subcontract.  I deal directly with clients, not the client of a client.  No middleman.  Better rates, better communication, less b.s.</p>
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