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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen, Devon. Amen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had read a &#034;sample&#034; posted on a famous author&#039;s website once. I don&#039;t know if it was a pre-edited sample, but after that one chapter I swore off all her work. She&#039;s a BIG NAME AUTHOR, and I was stopped in my tracks by bad analogies that conjurred up wildly impossible images.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Devon. Amen.</p>
<p>I had read a &quot;sample&quot; posted on a famous author&#39;s website once. I don&#39;t know if it was a pre-edited sample, but after that one chapter I swore off all her work. She&#39;s a BIG NAME AUTHOR, and I was stopped in my tracks by bad analogies that conjurred up wildly impossible images.</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS --once you&#039;re under contract and have a release date and have polished your work with an editor, definitely post excerpts for marketing purposes -- that&#039;s fun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But don&#039;t post drafts of WIPS!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211;once you&#39;re under contract and have a release date and have polished your work with an editor, definitely post excerpts for marketing purposes &#8212; that&#39;s fun.</p>
<p>But don&#39;t post drafts of WIPS!</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That extends to posting drafts of fiction on your blog.  First of all, posting work on your blog constitutes &#034;first publication rights&#034; to most publishers.  You post part of your draft of a WIP on your blog, you&#039;ve blown most chances at publication&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second -- why would you put a DRAFT out in public?  Yeah, share with trusted readers, but do you really want people to see your work in the nude, before it&#039;s been polished?  Out there in its worst form for all eternity?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reading a badly written draft is not going to entice me to buy the book if it ever is published.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I get paid to read and comment on drafts, outside of my circle of Trusted Readers, where we do swaps.  Why would I comment on someone&#039;s first draft on blog?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  </p>
<p>That extends to posting drafts of fiction on your blog.  First of all, posting work on your blog constitutes &quot;first publication rights&quot; to most publishers.  You post part of your draft of a WIP on your blog, you&#39;ve blown most chances at publication</p>
<p>Second &#8212; why would you put a DRAFT out in public?  Yeah, share with trusted readers, but do you really want people to see your work in the nude, before it&#39;s been polished?  Out there in its worst form for all eternity?</p>
<p>Reading a badly written draft is not going to entice me to buy the book if it ever is published.  </p>
<p>Also, I get paid to read and comment on drafts, outside of my circle of Trusted Readers, where we do swaps.  Why would I comment on someone&#39;s first draft on blog?</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2011/10/clause-for-trouble.html#comment-9577</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blogger&#039;s eating posts again. It&#039;s acting like you never feed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogger&#39;s eating posts again. It&#39;s acting like you never feed it.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve only posted one thing on LinkedIn (I shared it here as well, I believe)- an old essay I wrote about how little per-word article rates have gone up since the 1940s. (As Hugo Lydecker said in the film noir classic, Laura, &#034;Sentiment comes easy at 50-cents a word.&#034;) That piece had already been published and is a bit outdated, despite the still stagnant per-word rates at most publications.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The clause you posted reads to me more like a kitchen sink / shotgun approach to covering their collective butt, just in case. After all, millions of comments are made on LinkedIn every day - finding one or two reprint-worthy items buried in those posts would be like finding a needle hidden in a 10K acre field of side-by-side haystacks. (The one way great posts might come to light is if hundreds of people &#034;like&#034; them.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, it&#039;s always better safe than sorry. I&#039;ve never understood why some people share their own poems and things in public forums.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve only posted one thing on LinkedIn (I shared it here as well, I believe)- an old essay I wrote about how little per-word article rates have gone up since the 1940s. (As Hugo Lydecker said in the film noir classic, Laura, &quot;Sentiment comes easy at 50-cents a word.&quot;) That piece had already been published and is a bit outdated, despite the still stagnant per-word rates at most publications.</p>
<p>The clause you posted reads to me more like a kitchen sink / shotgun approach to covering their collective butt, just in case. After all, millions of comments are made on LinkedIn every day &#8211; finding one or two reprint-worthy items buried in those posts would be like finding a needle hidden in a 10K acre field of side-by-side haystacks. (The one way great posts might come to light is if hundreds of people &quot;like&quot; them.)</p>
<p>That said, it&#39;s always better safe than sorry. I&#39;ve never understood why some people share their own poems and things in public forums.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, LOVE the McCoy reference. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, LOVE the McCoy reference. 🙂</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Invoices....tasty! :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s how I would interpret it too, Jake - right down to the &#034;is a fool&#034; part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invoices&#8230;.tasty! 🙂</p>
<p>That&#39;s how I would interpret it too, Jake &#8211; right down to the &quot;is a fool&quot; part.</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dammit, Jim -- I&#039;m a doctor, not a lawyer!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I read this as &#034;if you post any intellectual property of any type on this site, we&#039;re not responsible for how it gets used and BTW you can&#039;t sue anyway.&#034; I have no idea if it would stand up in court, but common sense would dictate that anyone posting valuable information in a public forum without understanding the implications...is a fool. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To put a finer point on it: If they assemble a book of &#034;LinkedIn&#039;s 101 Most Unbelievably Fantastic Marketing Ideas&#034; and your lovingly crafted post was one of them and it becomes a NYT bestseller: tough noogies. You&#039;re not going to see a dime. And, as with HuffPo bloggers, I&#039;ll feel nah pity for ye.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yesterday was a big invoice day here. Mmmmmm...&lt;i&gt;invoices&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit, Jim &#8212; I&#39;m a doctor, not a lawyer!</p>
<p>I read this as &quot;if you post any intellectual property of any type on this site, we&#39;re not responsible for how it gets used and BTW you can&#39;t sue anyway.&quot; I have no idea if it would stand up in court, but common sense would dictate that anyone posting valuable information in a public forum without understanding the implications&#8230;is a fool. </p>
<p>To put a finer point on it: If they assemble a book of &quot;LinkedIn&#39;s 101 Most Unbelievably Fantastic Marketing Ideas&quot; and your lovingly crafted post was one of them and it becomes a NYT bestseller: tough noogies. You&#39;re not going to see a dime. And, as with HuffPo bloggers, I&#39;ll feel nah pity for ye.</p>
<p>Yesterday was a big invoice day here. Mmmmmm&#8230;<i>invoices</i>.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy, thanks for the links. I do remember your post regarding LI.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I share my resume, my background, my skills, and my thoughts in forums on LI. I share links to articles, but since they&#039;re copyrighted elsewhere, good luck to LI facing a litany of magazine lawyers! LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t find it all that disturbing because I don&#039;t share unpublished work there. Maybe it&#039;s more of a lesson in what NOT to share rather than what rights are being stripped away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, it&#039;s disturbing on one level, but on another level, it doesn&#039;t really apply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, thanks for the links. I do remember your post regarding LI.</p>
<p>I share my resume, my background, my skills, and my thoughts in forums on LI. I share links to articles, but since they&#39;re copyrighted elsewhere, good luck to LI facing a litany of magazine lawyers! LOL</p>
<p>I don&#39;t find it all that disturbing because I don&#39;t share unpublished work there. Maybe it&#39;s more of a lesson in what NOT to share rather than what rights are being stripped away.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#39;s disturbing on one level, but on another level, it doesn&#39;t really apply.</p>
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		By: Cathy Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Argghh-my loong comment got eaten by the gremlins. I&#039;ll try again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found this post from 2009 &lt;a href=&quot;http://webtechlaw.com/posts/linkedins-terms-of-use-even-worse-than-facebooks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;webtechlaw post&lt;/a&gt;. It essentially says the LI Agreement is worse than FB.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wrote a post a while back on 7 things in the LI Agreement that you might not know. Much mellower than this, but surprising just the same. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it&#039;s another fine example of closing the barn door after the horse escaped. If the 2009 post is still accurate, even if you terminate, LI retains their &#034;rights.&#034; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Company Page and Published work are two areas that could be of concern. Of course, there&#039;s always concern about what&#039;s shared in Groups or Q&#038;As. It amazes me what some people share.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not sure how (or if) this will change the way I participate in LI. I do share my work from a promotional standpoint. What are the odds that they would use it in a manner I would have a problem with? I&#039;m not sure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the thought-provoking post, Lori.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argghh-my loong comment got eaten by the gremlins. I&#39;ll try again.</p>
<p>I found this post from 2009 <a href="http://webtechlaw.com/posts/linkedins-terms-of-use-even-worse-than-facebooks.html" rel="nofollow">webtechlaw post</a>. It essentially says the LI Agreement is worse than FB.</p>
<p>I wrote a post a while back on 7 things in the LI Agreement that you might not know. Much mellower than this, but surprising just the same. </p>
<p>I think it&#39;s another fine example of closing the barn door after the horse escaped. If the 2009 post is still accurate, even if you terminate, LI retains their &quot;rights.&quot; </p>
<p>The Company Page and Published work are two areas that could be of concern. Of course, there&#39;s always concern about what&#39;s shared in Groups or Q&amp;As. It amazes me what some people share.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure how (or if) this will change the way I participate in LI. I do share my work from a promotional standpoint. What are the odds that they would use it in a manner I would have a problem with? I&#39;m not sure.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thought-provoking post, Lori.</p>
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