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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Too bad you couldn&#039;t recycle that story, Jake. Sounds like the Garrison Keillor buildup in Lake Wobegon Days, where his lost manuscript became the irreplaceable story, the finest work, then that best-selling novel that will never see daylight. :) If you still have it, I&#039;d like to read it sometime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gabriella, I laughed out loud when I read his comment about the relationship. What a manipulator!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad you couldn&#39;t recycle that story, Jake. Sounds like the Garrison Keillor buildup in Lake Wobegon Days, where his lost manuscript became the irreplaceable story, the finest work, then that best-selling novel that will never see daylight. 🙂 If you still have it, I&#39;d like to read it sometime.</p>
<p>Gabriella, I laughed out loud when I read his comment about the relationship. What a manipulator!</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriella F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lori.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just want to say stay safe. I was thinking about you and hoping you&#039;re all going to be safe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the highest and lowest pay, hard to say. If I were to divide my hourly rate on some projects that didn&#039;t require a lot of legwork, it might be as high as $200 an hour. Per word it&#039;s been $1.25.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lowest? $125 for a project that took about 3 hours each month to do. I did it because I liked the small-business owner who needed it, so I told myself it paid for my cleaning lady each month.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My best clients are those who&#039;ve been steady, easy to work with, and who respect my work while accepting that I make boneheaded mistakes on occasion--because I do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Worst? Hard to say. Probably the guy who couldn&#039;t pay and then got sorta pissy with me for being persistent. Then, when I told him I couldn&#039;t keep working with someone with such shaky finances (I didn&#039;t quite say it that way), he blathered on about how I didn&#039;t take this &#034;relationship&#034; seriously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, kind sir, I do. That&#039;s why I&#039;m ending it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, as I said, good luck and stay safe!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lori.</p>
<p>Just want to say stay safe. I was thinking about you and hoping you&#39;re all going to be safe.</p>
<p>As for the highest and lowest pay, hard to say. If I were to divide my hourly rate on some projects that didn&#39;t require a lot of legwork, it might be as high as $200 an hour. Per word it&#39;s been $1.25.</p>
<p>Lowest? $125 for a project that took about 3 hours each month to do. I did it because I liked the small-business owner who needed it, so I told myself it paid for my cleaning lady each month.</p>
<p>My best clients are those who&#39;ve been steady, easy to work with, and who respect my work while accepting that I make boneheaded mistakes on occasion&#8211;because I do.</p>
<p>Worst? Hard to say. Probably the guy who couldn&#39;t pay and then got sorta pissy with me for being persistent. Then, when I told him I couldn&#39;t keep working with someone with such shaky finances (I didn&#39;t quite say it that way), he blathered on about how I didn&#39;t take this &quot;relationship&quot; seriously.</p>
<p>Oh, kind sir, I do. That&#39;s why I&#39;m ending it!</p>
<p>Anyway, as I said, good luck and stay safe!</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best was $12K for a project that included a couple of newsletters, email blasts and web copy. High-maintenance, generally impatient client on a tight timeline. He&#039;s still a client, and I&#039;ve learned to handle him better, though he&#039;s still mercurial. Totally worth the occasional headache.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I got paid $3k for a 1500-word story that never printed in a big-name men&#039;s magazine. The editor who assigned it got canned and the new editor dumped everything. It was tragic, because it was probably the funniest thing I&#039;ve ever written :(&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back in the worst part of the 2001 economy (summer, pre-9/11), I took a story for $50 that required ~8 hours of research and writing, AND the editor was a complete jerk. I lost her number after that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good luck riding out the storm! We&#039;re suffering major heat out here in Phoenix, if it&#039;s any minor consolation...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best was $12K for a project that included a couple of newsletters, email blasts and web copy. High-maintenance, generally impatient client on a tight timeline. He&#39;s still a client, and I&#39;ve learned to handle him better, though he&#39;s still mercurial. Totally worth the occasional headache.</p>
<p>I got paid $3k for a 1500-word story that never printed in a big-name men&#39;s magazine. The editor who assigned it got canned and the new editor dumped everything. It was tragic, because it was probably the funniest thing I&#39;ve ever written 🙁</p>
<p>Back in the worst part of the 2001 economy (summer, pre-9/11), I took a story for $50 that required ~8 hours of research and writing, AND the editor was a complete jerk. I lost her number after that.</p>
<p>Good luck riding out the storm! We&#39;re suffering major heat out here in Phoenix, if it&#39;s any minor consolation&#8230;</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lori - the hurricane is over 400 miles wide, so even if it veers slightly out to sea, you&#039;ll probably still get heavy rains and strong winds. On top of the saturated soil, I guess they&#039;re expecting a lot of downed trees, which of course leads to power outages and property damage. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s just astounding how many millions of people are within the hurricane&#039;s reach, no matter where the eye makes landfall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori &#8211; the hurricane is over 400 miles wide, so even if it veers slightly out to sea, you&#39;ll probably still get heavy rains and strong winds. On top of the saturated soil, I guess they&#39;re expecting a lot of downed trees, which of course leads to power outages and property damage. </p>
<p>It&#39;s just astounding how many millions of people are within the hurricane&#39;s reach, no matter where the eye makes landfall.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FYI, that big project didn&#039;t finish because it got scrapped. Didn&#039;t want you to think I was dumb enough to walk away from such a nice gig!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, that big project didn&#39;t finish because it got scrapped. Didn&#39;t want you to think I was dumb enough to walk away from such a nice gig!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, ladies! We&#039;re inland by about 80 miles, but we&#039;re expected to feel it nonetheless. Heavy rain and wind. Ugh. We&#039;ve had the wettest August on record (10 inches already) and we&#039;re expected to see 7-10 inches more. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And we may be without power, so if you don&#039;t hear from me, you&#039;ll know why.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, I expected some correlation, but I expected some surprises, too. I&#039;ve had great clients that paid a whopping $100 (back when I was uninformed), and I&#039;ve had high-paying clients I was glad to shed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Damaria, I think your experience ies pretty typical of what I&#039;ve experienced, too. I&#039;ve had micromanagers at the higher levels, but usually because I was the sub-sub-contractor. Understandable to some extent there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My best was a job that paid $12,000 for work I never completed. My job was to coordinate the writing of three different people into a book that had consistent voices. They were all writing from a corporate perspective, so I had next-to-nothing to do, but they insisted they paid me. In fact, the project lead asked if I needed more money. For what? They were great, and they refused a cut in my rates when I felt guilty. They said it was my fee for being available and being easy to work with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The worst? Oh lord, there were many! LOL I think the worst remains the client who agreed to my price in writing, then said &#034;We don&#039;t see the difference between these two projects, so we&#039;ll just be paying you the lower rate from now on.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guess how well that went over? LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, ladies! We&#39;re inland by about 80 miles, but we&#39;re expected to feel it nonetheless. Heavy rain and wind. Ugh. We&#39;ve had the wettest August on record (10 inches already) and we&#39;re expected to see 7-10 inches more. </p>
<p>And we may be without power, so if you don&#39;t hear from me, you&#39;ll know why.</p>
<p>Paula, I expected some correlation, but I expected some surprises, too. I&#39;ve had great clients that paid a whopping $100 (back when I was uninformed), and I&#39;ve had high-paying clients I was glad to shed.</p>
<p>Damaria, I think your experience ies pretty typical of what I&#39;ve experienced, too. I&#39;ve had micromanagers at the higher levels, but usually because I was the sub-sub-contractor. Understandable to some extent there.</p>
<p>My best was a job that paid $12,000 for work I never completed. My job was to coordinate the writing of three different people into a book that had consistent voices. They were all writing from a corporate perspective, so I had next-to-nothing to do, but they insisted they paid me. In fact, the project lead asked if I needed more money. For what? They were great, and they refused a cut in my rates when I felt guilty. They said it was my fee for being available and being easy to work with.</p>
<p>The worst? Oh lord, there were many! LOL I think the worst remains the client who agreed to my price in writing, then said &quot;We don&#39;t see the difference between these two projects, so we&#39;ll just be paying you the lower rate from now on.&quot;</p>
<p>Guess how well that went over? LOL</p>
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		By: Damaria Senne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone on Irene&#039;s path, stay safe. Most I&#039;ve earned on a project - it lasted close to 2 years and paid a retainer of over $4000 per month.&lt;br /&gt;Least I&#039;ve earned per project - $10for approx. 500 word article. &lt;br /&gt;Experience with highest paying client - excellent. Gave me a brief and didn&#039;t interfere while I did my job, constructive criticism, healthy respect for my knowledge as a professional ( listened when I said what she wanted wouldn&#039;t work).&lt;br /&gt;Lowest paying client - very demanding. Seemed to operate under the assumption that I couldn&#039;t follow instruction and needed every order specified precisely. Extremely short lead times for assignment  and seemed to assume I was home twiddling my thumbs waiting for her to send work. Worst incident was, please do this quick text for me and send it back in 20 minutes. I said No and walked away.&lt;br /&gt;Yes. I&#039;m finding that I&#039;ve had nicer experiences with clients who have a healthy respect for what I do and are willing to pay well for it. It&#039;s not just about the money -it&#039;s respect for me and my work as a professional. The worst experiences come from clients who either assume they are the only market available to writers / those who believe they could do the work if they only had time and they pay very little because what they&#039;re asking me to do is &#034;easy.&#034; This year, I learnt to say &#034;No. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m the writer you&#039;re looking for.&#034; And I&#039;ve done that even when I had cash flow issues, because the stress of working with such clients is just not worth the money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone on Irene&#39;s path, stay safe. Most I&#39;ve earned on a project &#8211; it lasted close to 2 years and paid a retainer of over $4000 per month.<br />Least I&#39;ve earned per project &#8211; $10for approx. 500 word article. <br />Experience with highest paying client &#8211; excellent. Gave me a brief and didn&#39;t interfere while I did my job, constructive criticism, healthy respect for my knowledge as a professional ( listened when I said what she wanted wouldn&#39;t work).<br />Lowest paying client &#8211; very demanding. Seemed to operate under the assumption that I couldn&#39;t follow instruction and needed every order specified precisely. Extremely short lead times for assignment  and seemed to assume I was home twiddling my thumbs waiting for her to send work. Worst incident was, please do this quick text for me and send it back in 20 minutes. I said No and walked away.<br />Yes. I&#39;m finding that I&#39;ve had nicer experiences with clients who have a healthy respect for what I do and are willing to pay well for it. It&#39;s not just about the money -it&#39;s respect for me and my work as a professional. The worst experiences come from clients who either assume they are the only market available to writers / those who believe they could do the work if they only had time and they pay very little because what they&#39;re asking me to do is &quot;easy.&quot; This year, I learnt to say &quot;No. I don&#39;t think I&#39;m the writer you&#39;re looking for.&quot; And I&#39;ve done that even when I had cash flow issues, because the stress of working with such clients is just not worth the money.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To everyone here who lives anywhere in Irene&#039;s projected path - stay safe. Consider evacuating even if your local authorities didn&#039;t declare a mandatory evacuation. Anyone else here on CNN or TWC last night (can&#039;t recall which one, I switched back and forth so many times I thought Anderson Cooper worked for TWC) when they were discussing NYC&#039;s evacuation zones? Only one zone was mandatory as of last night, but if Irene hits just so, some of the other zones could be devastated. If you&#039;re on or near the East Coast, be smart, be safe and keep your weather radios handy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Onto Lori&#039;s questions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most I earned on one project was in 2001. It was a 4,700-word project at $1 a word. You do the math. Better yet? It was fun. I interviewed and profiled maybe a dozen top cable execs....about their odd hobbies and collections. That&#039;s one of my favorite projects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The least? Probably 10-cents per word. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The client I wrote the 4,700-word piece for was one of my top two favorite clients. They folded in 2002, but at least I got a couple years in with them before then. That editor, and my current Favorite Editor share several traits: 1) they&#039;re nice, caring people; 2) they trust their writers and never interfere; 3) they&#039;re open to off-the-wall ideas. The fact they they both pay/paid well is just a happy bonus. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not sure if this counts as my lowest-paying client or not, because I quit: About 12-15 years ago I wrote regularly for a sales and marketing newsletter that paid 50-cents a word. Great editor. Quick and easy assignments. Ideal filler work with a quick turn-around. The publisher was bought out by a bigger house. My editor left. The new editor wanted to keep assigning, but was a micromanager. (Step one: &#034;Here is a list of the 12 sources you need to mention in this 600-word article.&#034; Seriously.) She sent the contract and I was shocked to find the new publisher dropped the pay rate to about 10-cents per word. I balked. The editor said it was a fair price. I argued to the contrary, adding that you can&#039;t fit 12 sources into 600 words anyway. She wasn&#039;t going to budge, then said if I didn&#039;t do the article I&#039;d be &#034;forfeiting&#034; the pay. I laughed and told her she could try squeezing all of those sources into 600 words. I quit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&#039;s an obvious correlation between these clients, but I&#039;ve also worked for some low-payers who were just as easy to work with as my favorite editors. They just didn&#039;t have the budget to pay as well. I&#039;ve also worked for some places that pay 50-cents per word and up that weren&#039;t worth the hassle. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once again - all you East Coasters stay safe! Full reports due after the storm clears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone here who lives anywhere in Irene&#39;s projected path &#8211; stay safe. Consider evacuating even if your local authorities didn&#39;t declare a mandatory evacuation. Anyone else here on CNN or TWC last night (can&#39;t recall which one, I switched back and forth so many times I thought Anderson Cooper worked for TWC) when they were discussing NYC&#39;s evacuation zones? Only one zone was mandatory as of last night, but if Irene hits just so, some of the other zones could be devastated. If you&#39;re on or near the East Coast, be smart, be safe and keep your weather radios handy.</p>
<p>Onto Lori&#39;s questions:</p>
<p>The most I earned on one project was in 2001. It was a 4,700-word project at $1 a word. You do the math. Better yet? It was fun. I interviewed and profiled maybe a dozen top cable execs&#8230;.about their odd hobbies and collections. That&#39;s one of my favorite projects.</p>
<p>The least? Probably 10-cents per word. </p>
<p>The client I wrote the 4,700-word piece for was one of my top two favorite clients. They folded in 2002, but at least I got a couple years in with them before then. That editor, and my current Favorite Editor share several traits: 1) they&#39;re nice, caring people; 2) they trust their writers and never interfere; 3) they&#39;re open to off-the-wall ideas. The fact they they both pay/paid well is just a happy bonus. </p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure if this counts as my lowest-paying client or not, because I quit: About 12-15 years ago I wrote regularly for a sales and marketing newsletter that paid 50-cents a word. Great editor. Quick and easy assignments. Ideal filler work with a quick turn-around. The publisher was bought out by a bigger house. My editor left. The new editor wanted to keep assigning, but was a micromanager. (Step one: &quot;Here is a list of the 12 sources you need to mention in this 600-word article.&quot; Seriously.) She sent the contract and I was shocked to find the new publisher dropped the pay rate to about 10-cents per word. I balked. The editor said it was a fair price. I argued to the contrary, adding that you can&#39;t fit 12 sources into 600 words anyway. She wasn&#39;t going to budge, then said if I didn&#39;t do the article I&#39;d be &quot;forfeiting&quot; the pay. I laughed and told her she could try squeezing all of those sources into 600 words. I quit.</p>
<p>There&#39;s an obvious correlation between these clients, but I&#39;ve also worked for some low-payers who were just as easy to work with as my favorite editors. They just didn&#39;t have the budget to pay as well. I&#39;ve also worked for some places that pay 50-cents per word and up that weren&#39;t worth the hassle. </p>
<p>Once again &#8211; all you East Coasters stay safe! Full reports due after the storm clears.</p>
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