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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kagem, I use cold emails, too. The phone calls I limit, but I&#039;ve found that a follow-up email often gets some response, which I&#039;d prefer to dead silence. I think Jake was speaking strictly to magazine markets. And I have to agree with him that calling an editor who&#039;s already over her head in work is a bad idea unless they&#039;ve asked you to call. There, I&#039;d ask &#034;directly&#034; via email.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anne, that&#039;s a great way to get the name of the right person. Where I was on staff, we had an assistant and a front-desk receptionist. Depending on who was at the front desk, you could get that info from her. However, there were times (with new admins) that they simply transferred you to the assistant. Then the assistants were laid off. That meant the call went to the next person, who was usually a writer or an editor. I would have been fine if the call had been transferred to me and I had to field the question. Ten seconds out of my day. But if that happened a hundred times a day, I&#039;d be frustrated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then again, wouldn&#039;t it make sense for magazines to put that information on their websites? And yet they don&#039;t sometimes, which creates a ton of stress for their staff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kagem, I use cold emails, too. The phone calls I limit, but I&#39;ve found that a follow-up email often gets some response, which I&#39;d prefer to dead silence. I think Jake was speaking strictly to magazine markets. And I have to agree with him that calling an editor who&#39;s already over her head in work is a bad idea unless they&#39;ve asked you to call. There, I&#39;d ask &quot;directly&quot; via email.</p>
<p>Anne, that&#39;s a great way to get the name of the right person. Where I was on staff, we had an assistant and a front-desk receptionist. Depending on who was at the front desk, you could get that info from her. However, there were times (with new admins) that they simply transferred you to the assistant. Then the assistants were laid off. That meant the call went to the next person, who was usually a writer or an editor. I would have been fine if the call had been transferred to me and I had to field the question. Ten seconds out of my day. But if that happened a hundred times a day, I&#39;d be frustrated.</p>
<p>Then again, wouldn&#39;t it make sense for magazines to put that information on their websites? And yet they don&#39;t sometimes, which creates a ton of stress for their staff.</p>
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		By: Anne Wayman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Wayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ahhh tech problems... enough said!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;phone calls v. email... big difference between probably better not to call magazine editors - mostly true and cold calling corporate clients... businesses that need writing are not like editors. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Re managing eds, yes, and if it&#039;s a big mag check the masthead and see if there&#039;s an editor for the section you want to approach. Often works to simply call the magazine and ask whoever answers &#034;who handles (whatever)?&#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh tech problems&#8230; enough said!</p>
<p>phone calls v. email&#8230; big difference between probably better not to call magazine editors &#8211; mostly true and cold calling corporate clients&#8230; businesses that need writing are not like editors. </p>
<p>Re managing eds, yes, and if it&#39;s a big mag check the masthead and see if there&#39;s an editor for the section you want to approach. Often works to simply call the magazine and ask whoever answers &quot;who handles (whatever)?&quot;</p>
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		By: Kagem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kagem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jake P, I think you made some salient points. However, I think the thing about phone-calls is people automatically connect them with sales, but the sad reality is (for me at least), if I want to get juicy copywriting jobs, I have to do more phone calls. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know email has changed how we all do business, but there is a part of it which means we can hide behind email and other people can feel like they have the right to ignore you because of email.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should say I found all my regular clients via cold emailing, however I wish I started calling before. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I tend to do is use cold-emails and I am now incorporating more phone calls. Case in point: last week I called a potential client and found out the name of the marketing manager. I wouldn&#039;t have managed that if I had relied solely on email or LinkedIn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hate that I have to use the phone, but if it makes me eat, have to do it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake P, I think you made some salient points. However, I think the thing about phone-calls is people automatically connect them with sales, but the sad reality is (for me at least), if I want to get juicy copywriting jobs, I have to do more phone calls. </p>
<p>I know email has changed how we all do business, but there is a part of it which means we can hide behind email and other people can feel like they have the right to ignore you because of email.</p>
<p>I should say I found all my regular clients via cold emailing, however I wish I started calling before. </p>
<p>What I tend to do is use cold-emails and I am now incorporating more phone calls. Case in point: last week I called a potential client and found out the name of the marketing manager. I wouldn&#39;t have managed that if I had relied solely on email or LinkedIn.</p>
<p>I hate that I have to use the phone, but if it makes me eat, have to do it!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great points, Jake. I never liked phone calls, either. My mind was always somewhere else. Email, please!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;re right re: the managing editor. That&#039;s who the real workhorse is, and who generates the assignments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the link love, Jake. Much appreciated. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Jake. I never liked phone calls, either. My mind was always somewhere else. Email, please!</p>
<p>You&#39;re right re: the managing editor. That&#39;s who the real workhorse is, and who generates the assignments.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link love, Jake. Much appreciated. 🙂</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a former magazine editor, a couple of additional thoughts:&lt;br /&gt;1) Don&#039;t *call* an editor you don&#039;t know — always communicate via letter or email. Most react poorly to unsolicited calls. (I&#039;m a pretty easygoing guy, but that used to earn an instant blacklist.)&lt;br /&gt;2) As an aside to Ashley&#039;s point, it&#039;s often better to contact the managing editor — at many publications, they do most of the assigning, or will put it in the hands of the right person. They&#039;re generally more organized than the editor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, LW, gave you and Anne a bit of link-love for the #writersquared chat in the interest of hearing more &lt;a href=&quot;http://deardrfreelance.com/2011/06/whos-your-longest-term-freelance-client/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;client-longevity stories.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former magazine editor, a couple of additional thoughts:<br />1) Don&#39;t *call* an editor you don&#39;t know — always communicate via letter or email. Most react poorly to unsolicited calls. (I&#39;m a pretty easygoing guy, but that used to earn an instant blacklist.)<br />2) As an aside to Ashley&#39;s point, it&#39;s often better to contact the managing editor — at many publications, they do most of the assigning, or will put it in the hands of the right person. They&#39;re generally more organized than the editor.</p>
<p>By the way, LW, gave you and Anne a bit of link-love for the #writersquared chat in the interest of hearing more <a href="http://deardrfreelance.com/2011/06/whos-your-longest-term-freelance-client/" rel="nofollow">client-longevity stories.</a></p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There you go, Paula! You&#039;ve just proven that you don&#039;t have to let your fears slow you down. Good for you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go, Paula! You&#39;ve just proven that you don&#39;t have to let your fears slow you down. Good for you!</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roughly eight years ago I combined an LOI with &#034;ask the editor directly&#034; and landed one of my long-term clients. I approached two venerable showbiz trades that I didn&#039;t think would even use freelancers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Boy, was I wrong. Both editors responded immediately (one didn&#039;t get my snail mail clip folder and LOI, but when I followed up via e-mail they immediately asked me to re-send it.) The other editor called and assigned me something on the spot. Eight years later I still write several articles (and even little fillers) for that editor and several of his co-editors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roughly eight years ago I combined an LOI with &quot;ask the editor directly&quot; and landed one of my long-term clients. I approached two venerable showbiz trades that I didn&#39;t think would even use freelancers.</p>
<p>Boy, was I wrong. Both editors responded immediately (one didn&#39;t get my snail mail clip folder and LOI, but when I followed up via e-mail they immediately asked me to re-send it.) The other editor called and assigned me something on the spot. Eight years later I still write several articles (and even little fillers) for that editor and several of his co-editors.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Go for it, Ashley! Sounds like you have an &#034;in&#034; with the boyfriend at least! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The editor is a person, not a goddess. :) Just remember to act as you did with the assistant editor. An editor is just a slightly higher paid version with a lot more headaches attached. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for it, Ashley! Sounds like you have an &quot;in&quot; with the boyfriend at least! </p>
<p>The editor is a person, not a goddess. 🙂 Just remember to act as you did with the assistant editor. An editor is just a slightly higher paid version with a lot more headaches attached. 🙂</p>
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		By: Ashley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last night, I went to a mixer hosted by a local publication to celebrate their newest issue. They do these every month, and I started attending as soon as I found out about them. I wanted to meet the editor, introduce myself, and find out how I could help her. Turns out, I know the assistant editor, so I&#039;ve been working with her on some story ideas. At last night&#039;s mixer, I wanted to meet the editor, but she was busy all night and I hated to interrupt. Weird thing, though - her boyfriend introduced himself to me as I was leaving! He said he would tell the editor about me. So, you just never know how things might work out. I&#039;m going to email the editor, probably on Monday, just to introduce myself. Hopefully her boyfriend will have mentioned me by then :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, I went to a mixer hosted by a local publication to celebrate their newest issue. They do these every month, and I started attending as soon as I found out about them. I wanted to meet the editor, introduce myself, and find out how I could help her. Turns out, I know the assistant editor, so I&#39;ve been working with her on some story ideas. At last night&#39;s mixer, I wanted to meet the editor, but she was busy all night and I hated to interrupt. Weird thing, though &#8211; her boyfriend introduced himself to me as I was leaving! He said he would tell the editor about me. So, you just never know how things might work out. I&#39;m going to email the editor, probably on Monday, just to introduce myself. Hopefully her boyfriend will have mentioned me by then 🙂</p>
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