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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2011/06/if-it-didnt-work-with-huffington.html#comment-8825</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would agree with Anne here. If they are big brands, &#039;marketing&#039; should be your focus rather than earning a few pennies. But if you want to earn solely on the basis of ad revenue share method, you are digging your own hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with Anne here. If they are big brands, &#39;marketing&#39; should be your focus rather than earning a few pennies. But if you want to earn solely on the basis of ad revenue share method, you are digging your own hole.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And this is why we love you, Jenn. You give it to us straight and with insight we need. If it smells bad, it&#039;s because it&#039;s a rotten deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why we love you, Jenn. You give it to us straight and with insight we need. If it smells bad, it&#39;s because it&#39;s a rotten deal.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Writing for ad revenue is pretty much always a bad idea. Some of the big networks have been doing it for years, and the problems have been clearly visible for a long time now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. They may have millions of visitors. Great for them. What they neglect to tell the writers is that the vast majority of those millions will never visit your specific articles. Many go to the homepage. Others use the site for other reasons. They visit articles written by other writers. You can often monetize your own site much better within a few months. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. You don&#039;t have any control over the ad placement to improve conversions. Again, you&#039;re better with your own site where you can diversify income streams and optimize your site to improve conversions if you want to make money through ad revenue. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. If they&#039;re so confident in their ad revenue potential, they can keep it and pay you a fair market rate out of pocket, expecting to profit through the ad revenue over time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Relying on 3rd party ad revenue means you also rely on 3rd party marketing. Your content is useless without visitors, and if the site isn&#039;t going to heavily promote YOUR content to get those visitors and drive ad revenue, that falls on you too. Yep. You&#039;re expected to market their site too without any direct pay. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Some of these sites try to suck writers in by saying they&#039;ll earn ad revenue indefinitely or that it will continue to grow over time. That&#039;s utter BS. It happens like that early on. But eventually the ad revenue drops unless you continually create new (relatively unpaid) content. Old articles drop in search rankings and lose traffic. They end up in an oversaturated pool of content on the site as opposed to when the program just began. And many articles eventually become outdated. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bad deal for the writer. Great deal for the cheapskate site owners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing for ad revenue is pretty much always a bad idea. Some of the big networks have been doing it for years, and the problems have been clearly visible for a long time now. </p>
<p>1. They may have millions of visitors. Great for them. What they neglect to tell the writers is that the vast majority of those millions will never visit your specific articles. Many go to the homepage. Others use the site for other reasons. They visit articles written by other writers. You can often monetize your own site much better within a few months. </p>
<p>2. You don&#39;t have any control over the ad placement to improve conversions. Again, you&#39;re better with your own site where you can diversify income streams and optimize your site to improve conversions if you want to make money through ad revenue. </p>
<p>3. If they&#39;re so confident in their ad revenue potential, they can keep it and pay you a fair market rate out of pocket, expecting to profit through the ad revenue over time. </p>
<p>4. Relying on 3rd party ad revenue means you also rely on 3rd party marketing. Your content is useless without visitors, and if the site isn&#39;t going to heavily promote YOUR content to get those visitors and drive ad revenue, that falls on you too. Yep. You&#39;re expected to market their site too without any direct pay. </p>
<p>5. Some of these sites try to suck writers in by saying they&#39;ll earn ad revenue indefinitely or that it will continue to grow over time. That&#39;s utter BS. It happens like that early on. But eventually the ad revenue drops unless you continually create new (relatively unpaid) content. Old articles drop in search rankings and lose traffic. They end up in an oversaturated pool of content on the site as opposed to when the program just began. And many articles eventually become outdated. </p>
<p>Bad deal for the writer. Great deal for the cheapskate site owners.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;d be surprised how many writers whip out a calculator and try to justify it, Kagem. If you have to use math equations to make sense of the pay, pass on it, I say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;d be surprised how many writers whip out a calculator and try to justify it, Kagem. If you have to use math equations to make sense of the pay, pass on it, I say.</p>
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		By: Kagem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kagem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Advertising revenue - kiss of death! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope all writers steer clear from this ridiculous business model!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertising revenue &#8211; kiss of death! </p>
<p>I hope all writers steer clear from this ridiculous business model!!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like minds, WordVixen - we are once again of like minds. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like minds, WordVixen &#8211; we are once again of like minds. 🙂</p>
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		By: WordVixen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WordVixen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Woops- I didn&#039;t mean to post yet. I wanted to add that if you know how ad revenue works, then you certainly don&#039;t need to do it on someone else&#039;s site, where they make the rules and can change them at any time. Any time someone else has the final say in your income, it&#039;s a bad deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woops- I didn&#39;t mean to post yet. I wanted to add that if you know how ad revenue works, then you certainly don&#39;t need to do it on someone else&#39;s site, where they make the rules and can change them at any time. Any time someone else has the final say in your income, it&#39;s a bad deal.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy, I did that same looking. And I was skeptical. Good thing. They were awful jobs. You&#039;re right - not worth the effort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, that&#039;s insane! If that happened to me, I&#039;d be gone. In fact, I did have that happen once, only it was much weirder. The client owed me $2,500 roundabouts. After leaning on him for three months, he finally called. The reason wasn&#039;t to apologize or tell me the money was on the way, but to offer me a place in his affiliate program. I was given the &#034;opportunity&#034; to sell HIS products and get  minimal profit. Fine, but the kicker - he was offering me a REDUCED buy-in rate! Huh? I had to pay to sell his stupid products! When he said I could get in for $500, which he claimed was much lower than the $2,000 rate, I said no, hung up, and sent my last invoice to him with litigation notice attached. He paid and never darkened my doorstep again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sass! LOL That&#039;s it, Wendy. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;re brave to try it, Anne. Let me know how it goes, but I&#039;m not confident it&#039;s anything more than a waste.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wordvixen, if you&#039;re in control of it, it works. If you&#039;re being dictated the terms by a stranger, it works for THEM. As you pointed out, there are places that change their minds as much as they like and it always spells less for the writers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, I did that same looking. And I was skeptical. Good thing. They were awful jobs. You&#39;re right &#8211; not worth the effort.</p>
<p>Paula, that&#39;s insane! If that happened to me, I&#39;d be gone. In fact, I did have that happen once, only it was much weirder. The client owed me $2,500 roundabouts. After leaning on him for three months, he finally called. The reason wasn&#39;t to apologize or tell me the money was on the way, but to offer me a place in his affiliate program. I was given the &quot;opportunity&quot; to sell HIS products and get  minimal profit. Fine, but the kicker &#8211; he was offering me a REDUCED buy-in rate! Huh? I had to pay to sell his stupid products! When he said I could get in for $500, which he claimed was much lower than the $2,000 rate, I said no, hung up, and sent my last invoice to him with litigation notice attached. He paid and never darkened my doorstep again.</p>
<p>Sass! LOL That&#39;s it, Wendy. 🙂</p>
<p>You&#39;re brave to try it, Anne. Let me know how it goes, but I&#39;m not confident it&#39;s anything more than a waste.</p>
<p>Wordvixen, if you&#39;re in control of it, it works. If you&#39;re being dictated the terms by a stranger, it works for THEM. As you pointed out, there are places that change their minds as much as they like and it always spells less for the writers.</p>
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		By: WordVixen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WordVixen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s exactly what I do- but I do it on my own sites! Squidoo and Hubpages are fairly reliable, but even they aren&#039;t immune to the sudden payout structure changes that almost always bode ill for the payee. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given that these places almost always believe that all traffic is equal, and don&#039;t understand strategic ad placement, earnings are usually abysmal. Remember Today.com? &#034;We&#039;ll pay you $2 per post... I mean, $1 per post... I mean, $0.01 for every 5 page views... I mean, hey, we sold our domain to the Today show, sorry!&#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s exactly what I do- but I do it on my own sites! Squidoo and Hubpages are fairly reliable, but even they aren&#39;t immune to the sudden payout structure changes that almost always bode ill for the payee. </p>
<p>Given that these places almost always believe that all traffic is equal, and don&#39;t understand strategic ad placement, earnings are usually abysmal. Remember Today.com? &quot;We&#39;ll pay you $2 per post&#8230; I mean, $1 per post&#8230; I mean, $0.01 for every 5 page views&#8230; I mean, hey, we sold our domain to the Today show, sorry!&quot;</p>
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		By: Anne Wayman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Wayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had revenue share work... about.com does it that way... or they did, not sure now. A base plus revenue share. That made sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I got the same offer from technocrati and if I take it it will go under marketing for me... and I&#039;ll do it for that reason alone... if I made an extra cash nickle I&#039;d be surprised... and it might be worth it for page views.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But probably better to do a guest post here ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve had revenue share work&#8230; about.com does it that way&#8230; or they did, not sure now. A base plus revenue share. That made sense.</p>
<p>I got the same offer from technocrati and if I take it it will go under marketing for me&#8230; and I&#39;ll do it for that reason alone&#8230; if I made an extra cash nickle I&#39;d be surprised&#8230; and it might be worth it for page views.</p>
<p>But probably better to do a guest post here 😉</p>
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