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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Jake. Just rescued your comment from the Spam folder. If it&#039;s any consolation, I found my own there, too. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m all for freelancers having coverage if they need it and can afford it, so thanks for the link. But my back goes up the instant a company requires it of freelancers.  I don&#039;t blame you for not falling in line with what the F500 client wanted. The status of the job wouldn&#039;t pay the bills. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jake. Just rescued your comment from the Spam folder. If it&#39;s any consolation, I found my own there, too. 🙂</p>
<p>I&#39;m all for freelancers having coverage if they need it and can afford it, so thanks for the link. But my back goes up the instant a company requires it of freelancers.  I don&#39;t blame you for not falling in line with what the F500 client wanted. The status of the job wouldn&#39;t pay the bills. 🙂</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL! Anne, I love your opinion. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it&#039;s as you say - new law firm. And either the law firm or the company itself has no idea how to work with contractors. Or maybe they see the word &#034;contractor&#034; and run to the Internet for the standard contract language covering construction workers. If that&#039;s the case, fire that law firm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, I remember that! It was strange given the public facility itself. VERY strange!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kim, I&#039;ve never been asked to sign anything like this, either. And I wouldn&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Susan, good for you! I wouldn&#039;t have agreed to that, either. My taking on risk - or covering it with insurance - is my business entirely. Not theirs. I get that there are people who would sue over a hangnail that developed in the company&#039;s parking lot, but the law already dictates enough rules to separate staff from contractors. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are people who shouldn&#039;t be doing business with contractors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Anne, I love your opinion. 🙂</p>
<p>I think it&#39;s as you say &#8211; new law firm. And either the law firm or the company itself has no idea how to work with contractors. Or maybe they see the word &quot;contractor&quot; and run to the Internet for the standard contract language covering construction workers. If that&#39;s the case, fire that law firm.</p>
<p>Paula, I remember that! It was strange given the public facility itself. VERY strange!</p>
<p>Kim, I&#39;ve never been asked to sign anything like this, either. And I wouldn&#39;t.</p>
<p>Susan, good for you! I wouldn&#39;t have agreed to that, either. My taking on risk &#8211; or covering it with insurance &#8211; is my business entirely. Not theirs. I get that there are people who would sue over a hangnail that developed in the company&#39;s parking lot, but the law already dictates enough rules to separate staff from contractors. </p>
<p>These are people who shouldn&#39;t be doing business with contractors.</p>
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		By: Anne Wayman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Wayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[proving you have other clients has absolutely nothing to do with your independent contractor status - what if they are your first and only client? And no one is entitled to a list of your clients except, maybe, the IRS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once you&#039;re established as an independent contractor the workers comp stuff is utter nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And as an independent contractor if you want to hire me or your favorite job to help with the assignment that is also none of their business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Preprinted invoices and letterheads are also none of their business... your business name and address and your ein or ss number if you&#039;re in the US are, particularly if they plan on paying you more than $600 a year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And an affidavit? No clue about that really, but they&#039;ve already struck out on so many things I wouldn&#039;t do that either... unless it was a simple affidavit that I was an independent contractor... and I probably wouldn&#039;t go that far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bet they&#039;ve hired a new law firm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m with Devon, push back, hard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not that I have an opinion or anything ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proving you have other clients has absolutely nothing to do with your independent contractor status &#8211; what if they are your first and only client? And no one is entitled to a list of your clients except, maybe, the IRS.</p>
<p>Once you&#39;re established as an independent contractor the workers comp stuff is utter nonsense.</p>
<p>And as an independent contractor if you want to hire me or your favorite job to help with the assignment that is also none of their business.</p>
<p>Preprinted invoices and letterheads are also none of their business&#8230; your business name and address and your ein or ss number if you&#39;re in the US are, particularly if they plan on paying you more than $600 a year.</p>
<p>And an affidavit? No clue about that really, but they&#39;ve already struck out on so many things I wouldn&#39;t do that either&#8230; unless it was a simple affidavit that I was an independent contractor&#8230; and I probably wouldn&#39;t go that far.</p>
<p>Bet they&#39;ve hired a new law firm.</p>
<p>I&#39;m with Devon, push back, hard.</p>
<p>Not that I have an opinion or anything 😉</p>
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		By: paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[like susan, a few years ago i had a public facility ask me to sign a form stating i had a $2 million in liability insurance or a waiver accepting liability for any injuries or property damage - down to &#039;normal wear and tear&#039; - for a two-hour writing workshop. i refused, pointing out how i had given a presentation in the past without signing any such form, and knew several other individual who regularly give presentations and workshops there who have never been asked to sign such a form. they still insisted, so i walked away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;if devon were a lawyer, i&#039;d want to have her on retainer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like susan, a few years ago i had a public facility ask me to sign a form stating i had a $2 million in liability insurance or a waiver accepting liability for any injuries or property damage &#8211; down to &#39;normal wear and tear&#39; &#8211; for a two-hour writing workshop. i refused, pointing out how i had given a presentation in the past without signing any such form, and knew several other individual who regularly give presentations and workshops there who have never been asked to sign such a form. they still insisted, so i walked away.</p>
<p>if devon were a lawyer, i&#39;d want to have her on retainer.</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriella F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t sign that info, either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d push back, and if it didn&#039;t work, I&#039;d walk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#39;t sign that info, either.</p>
<p>I&#39;d push back, and if it didn&#39;t work, I&#39;d walk.</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Round peg, square hole. I echo the sentiments that you need to push back (politely) and explain why. Unless your state law requires it (and according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.entrepreneur.com/management/insurance/typesofinsurance/article79594.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;this article in Entrepreneur,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; some do), there&#039;s no reason for a solo proprietor with no employees, working offsite, to have worker&#039;s comp. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, for peace of family mind, I personally spend about $350 a year for a basic disability policy. I imagine that would be a way of meeting the requirement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With other client names and numbers, I&#039;d simply state that the best you can do, due to confidentiality agreements, is supply the links as you&#039;ve done in the past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years back, one of my partner-designers had us close to an advertising deal with a Fortune 500 company. The liability insurance they wanted us to have would have cost a good chunk of the &#034;trial&#034; project revenues, with no guarantee whatsoever that we were going to get a second job. Um, no thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Round peg, square hole. I echo the sentiments that you need to push back (politely) and explain why. Unless your state law requires it (and according to <a href="http://www.entrepreneur.com/management/insurance/typesofinsurance/article79594.html" rel="nofollow"><i>this article in Entrepreneur,</i></a> some do), there&#39;s no reason for a solo proprietor with no employees, working offsite, to have worker&#39;s comp. </p>
<p>That said, for peace of family mind, I personally spend about $350 a year for a basic disability policy. I imagine that would be a way of meeting the requirement.</p>
<p>With other client names and numbers, I&#39;d simply state that the best you can do, due to confidentiality agreements, is supply the links as you&#39;ve done in the past.</p>
<p>A few years back, one of my partner-designers had us close to an advertising deal with a Fortune 500 company. The liability insurance they wanted us to have would have cost a good chunk of the &quot;trial&quot; project revenues, with no guarantee whatsoever that we were going to get a second job. Um, no thanks.</p>
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		By: Kimberly Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, I&#039;ve had companies request me to sign some pretty off the wall documents, but I&#039;ve never seen anything like this. Interesting...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#39;ve had companies request me to sign some pretty off the wall documents, but I&#39;ve never seen anything like this. Interesting&#8230;</p>
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		By: Susan Johnston		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I get them wanting to verify that you have other clients to ensure that the IRS views you as an independent contractor (and couldn&#039;t you send 1099s or pay stubs instead of giving them a phone # to call?). I sort of get why in some situations they might be worried about worker&#039;s comp or other types of insurance. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I&#039;ve come across outrageous requirements like this in the past and it&#039;s really frustrating. If it in fact this in one of many clients, how the heck are you supposed to find time to jump through all these ridiculous hoops? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a contract that required me to purchase $2M in liability insurance and I pushed back, saying it wasn&#039;t relevant to the type of work I do. The editor told me none of the other writers had a problem with it. I told her, &#034;based on how much you&#039;re paying, I wouldn&#039;t be able to cover a policy of that scope and still make a profit on this project, so I&#039;d be curious how your other writers do it.&#034; She told me she didn&#039;t know, to which I said those writers are probably signing the contract without reading it. Then someone in legal emailed me to say, &#034;we&#039;re willing to compromise with a $1M policy.&#034; Again, not relevant to the work I do, so I continued to push back and eventually they dropped that clause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get them wanting to verify that you have other clients to ensure that the IRS views you as an independent contractor (and couldn&#39;t you send 1099s or pay stubs instead of giving them a phone # to call?). I sort of get why in some situations they might be worried about worker&#39;s comp or other types of insurance. </p>
<p>But I&#39;ve come across outrageous requirements like this in the past and it&#39;s really frustrating. If it in fact this in one of many clients, how the heck are you supposed to find time to jump through all these ridiculous hoops? </p>
<p>I had a contract that required me to purchase $2M in liability insurance and I pushed back, saying it wasn&#39;t relevant to the type of work I do. The editor told me none of the other writers had a problem with it. I told her, &quot;based on how much you&#39;re paying, I wouldn&#39;t be able to cover a policy of that scope and still make a profit on this project, so I&#39;d be curious how your other writers do it.&quot; She told me she didn&#39;t know, to which I said those writers are probably signing the contract without reading it. Then someone in legal emailed me to say, &quot;we&#39;re willing to compromise with a $1M policy.&quot; Again, not relevant to the work I do, so I continued to push back and eventually they dropped that clause.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Likewise, Cathy. I can&#039;t see how this information is relevant OR their business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is BS, Devon. These companies don&#039;t have the right to require such things from freelancers. We&#039;re business entities, contractors. We&#039;re not pseudo-employees dying to jump through hoops. I&#039;m okay with signing a waiver so they feel their asses are covered, but I would refuse their application process and their insurance requirement. And they&#039;ll be hard pressed to find ANY writer who can afford WC insurance. It&#039;s not necessary for our line of work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Krista, that&#039;s crazy! Why did they need to know all that? I wouldn&#039;t have signed it, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise, Cathy. I can&#39;t see how this information is relevant OR their business.</p>
<p>It is BS, Devon. These companies don&#39;t have the right to require such things from freelancers. We&#39;re business entities, contractors. We&#39;re not pseudo-employees dying to jump through hoops. I&#39;m okay with signing a waiver so they feel their asses are covered, but I would refuse their application process and their insurance requirement. And they&#39;ll be hard pressed to find ANY writer who can afford WC insurance. It&#39;s not necessary for our line of work.</p>
<p>Krista, that&#39;s crazy! Why did they need to know all that? I wouldn&#39;t have signed it, either.</p>
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		By: Krista		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krista]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I once had a contract where I was asked to reveal all non-compete agreements I had with other clients. And there was a section where I had to identify work I claimed ownership to. Very weird. I just told them I wasn&#039;t comfortable and wouldn&#039;t be signing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once had a contract where I was asked to reveal all non-compete agreements I had with other clients. And there was a section where I had to identify work I claimed ownership to. Very weird. I just told them I wasn&#39;t comfortable and wouldn&#39;t be signing.</p>
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