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		By: Wendy		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2011/03/curse-of-content-farm-er-conten.html#comment-8009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it so hard to delete those feeds from the site? Why does it still have one post and your name? Even Jenn&#039;s has one post remaining. It&#039;s from a couple years ago, but still... Like you said, all means all. Period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it so hard to delete those feeds from the site? Why does it still have one post and your name? Even Jenn&#39;s has one post remaining. It&#39;s from a couple years ago, but still&#8230; Like you said, all means all. Period.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jenn, thanks for such a great comment. You make some very solid points, which coincide with what I understand the Fair Use policy to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 - His is a commercial interest as he&#039;s earning money via ads.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 - He is republishing without permission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3 - In some cases, he is not using a &#034;snippet&#034; of content as he called in in email to me. He&#039;s using full posts, and he&#039;s using several snippets from one source. In nearly every case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4 -His republishing of writers&#039; works, even with the lame excuse of &#034;driving traffic&#034; to each of our sites (because some are click-throughs to the source sites), clearly does not benefit any of the writers he&#039;s lifting from. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve started a poll to see just how many people have come here via his site. I can think of one, and that&#039;s only if he himself visits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, thanks for such a great comment. You make some very solid points, which coincide with what I understand the Fair Use policy to be.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; His is a commercial interest as he&#39;s earning money via ads.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; He is republishing without permission.</p>
<p>3 &#8211; In some cases, he is not using a &quot;snippet&quot; of content as he called in in email to me. He&#39;s using full posts, and he&#39;s using several snippets from one source. In nearly every case.</p>
<p>4 -His republishing of writers&#39; works, even with the lame excuse of &quot;driving traffic&quot; to each of our sites (because some are click-throughs to the source sites), clearly does not benefit any of the writers he&#39;s lifting from. </p>
<p>I&#39;ve started a poll to see just how many people have come here via his site. I can think of one, and that&#39;s only if he himself visits.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a side note, I&#039;m happy to say that it appears my own site&#039;s feed was removed after my 48 hour takedown request.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, I&#39;m happy to say that it appears my own site&#39;s feed was removed after my 48 hour takedown request.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2011/03/curse-of-content-farm-er-conten.html#comment-7983</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy -- The double-click thing is a bit more questionable, as is the fact that he&#039;s publishing these to monetize them. If a site has an RSS policy that forbids using their feed to republish things, he&#039;d still be in violation of their terms and have to remove it on request. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More importantly, he&#039;s covering some very short posts there as well (such as intros to podcasts) and publishing almost the full post. That would more likely be a direct copyright violation. So short alone doesn&#039;t always protect him. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&#039;s also recourse beyond removal. For example, he monetizes the site with Adsense. And Adsense policies blatantly forbid you from using their ads on any site where you publish others&#039; copyrighted material without a license to do so. So even if not every post is a copyright violation, the fact that some are puts him in violation which can lead to suspension or cancellation of the account (and ads from that account on ANY website he runs). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So thinking he&#039;s skirting the legal issues doesn&#039;t mean he fully is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s also important to consider fair use issues. Using a limited portion of something CAN be fair use. But that doesn&#039;t mean it always is, especially if it doesn&#039;t meet other fair use requirements (and in this case not only is it commercial which makes it questionable, but there&#039;s also the potential for a direct impact on the copyright holders if he&#039;s pulling subscribers from their site to his -- which in turn hurts the main site&#039;s revenues if their traffic is affected). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s also important to note that fair use really isn&#039;t an excuse to do something. It&#039;s only a &lt;i&gt;defense&lt;/i&gt;, meaning it only comes into play &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; you&#039;re sued when you try to use it as an excuse. But if you don&#039;t meet enough fair use requirements, that defense won&#039;t necessarily hold up. That&#039;s why there are no hard and fast rules about how much someone can use, how they can use it, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy &#8212; The double-click thing is a bit more questionable, as is the fact that he&#39;s publishing these to monetize them. If a site has an RSS policy that forbids using their feed to republish things, he&#39;d still be in violation of their terms and have to remove it on request. </p>
<p>More importantly, he&#39;s covering some very short posts there as well (such as intros to podcasts) and publishing almost the full post. That would more likely be a direct copyright violation. So short alone doesn&#39;t always protect him. </p>
<p>There&#39;s also recourse beyond removal. For example, he monetizes the site with Adsense. And Adsense policies blatantly forbid you from using their ads on any site where you publish others&#39; copyrighted material without a license to do so. So even if not every post is a copyright violation, the fact that some are puts him in violation which can lead to suspension or cancellation of the account (and ads from that account on ANY website he runs). </p>
<p>So thinking he&#39;s skirting the legal issues doesn&#39;t mean he fully is.</p>
<p>It&#39;s also important to consider fair use issues. Using a limited portion of something CAN be fair use. But that doesn&#39;t mean it always is, especially if it doesn&#39;t meet other fair use requirements (and in this case not only is it commercial which makes it questionable, but there&#39;s also the potential for a direct impact on the copyright holders if he&#39;s pulling subscribers from their site to his &#8212; which in turn hurts the main site&#39;s revenues if their traffic is affected). </p>
<p>It&#39;s also important to note that fair use really isn&#39;t an excuse to do something. It&#39;s only a <i>defense</i>, meaning it only comes into play <i>after</i> you&#39;re sued when you try to use it as an excuse. But if you don&#39;t meet enough fair use requirements, that defense won&#39;t necessarily hold up. That&#39;s why there are no hard and fast rules about how much someone can use, how they can use it, etc.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a bit of a shock, Fiona, but I&#039;m glad to know about it so I can put a halt to it. I sent him a cease-and-desist. Today, one post and the link to my name remains. That&#039;s not good enough. It all comes down or he&#039;ll be getting served.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a bit of a shock, Fiona, but I&#39;m glad to know about it so I can put a halt to it. I sent him a cease-and-desist. Today, one post and the link to my name remains. That&#39;s not good enough. It all comes down or he&#39;ll be getting served.</p>
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		By: Fiona		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fiona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow - who needs to study, you guys provide a better education than any course ever could.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lori - It&#039;s a crappy way to learn something when it&#039;s affecting you but I still appreciate that you&#039;re all sharing stories so the rest of us kow what to look out for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m being more circumspect both in what I&#039;m writing and reading and that&#039;s even knowing I have nothing to be guilty of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers, Fi]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; who needs to study, you guys provide a better education than any course ever could.</p>
<p>Lori &#8211; It&#39;s a crappy way to learn something when it&#39;s affecting you but I still appreciate that you&#39;re all sharing stories so the rest of us kow what to look out for.</p>
<p>I&#39;m being more circumspect both in what I&#39;m writing and reading and that&#39;s even knowing I have nothing to be guilty of.</p>
<p>Cheers, Fi</p>
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		By: Cathy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Jenn-thanks-that&#039;s what this guy is doing-he has the blog title and the start of the post and then you click on the link that takes you back to the site. Seems to me I had to click in two places to get back to Lori&#039;s post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand that if they scrape the post (even with the attribution) that that is illegal, but this guys skates around it. Look at the list he has on the tab of &#034;writers&#034; and the volume of their post titles and links.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jenn-thanks-that&#39;s what this guy is doing-he has the blog title and the start of the post and then you click on the link that takes you back to the site. Seems to me I had to click in two places to get back to Lori&#39;s post.</p>
<p>I understand that if they scrape the post (even with the attribution) that that is illegal, but this guys skates around it. Look at the list he has on the tab of &quot;writers&quot; and the volume of their post titles and links.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy - Yes. Attribution does not make it legal, and that&#039;s a common misconception these content scrapers have. Any republication or derivative work created from your article is a copyright violation w/o your permission. At least if it&#039;s in full. If they&#039;re just putting a small snippet with a link to the full article on your site, it&#039;s a bit different -- still sleazy business, but not necessarily a copyright violation (depending on how much they publish).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy &#8211; Yes. Attribution does not make it legal, and that&#39;s a common misconception these content scrapers have. Any republication or derivative work created from your article is a copyright violation w/o your permission. At least if it&#39;s in full. If they&#39;re just putting a small snippet with a link to the full article on your site, it&#39;s a bit different &#8212; still sleazy business, but not necessarily a copyright violation (depending on how much they publish).</p>
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		By: Kimberly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, ad revenue - of course! Yeah, if your original content increases traffic to his site, adds to the &#034;quality&#034; of his site or means more ad clicks, he certainly DOES owe you something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ad revenue &#8211; of course! Yeah, if your original content increases traffic to his site, adds to the &quot;quality&quot; of his site or means more ad clicks, he certainly DOES owe you something.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Samantha, you ask a great question. If you work for a content farm and are trying to do the right thing, my opinion is you are grossly under-employed. Get out. Please. You can do better. With a background like yours and that amount of detailed research, you should be commanding 1,000 times or better what those places are paying you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look over on the left for the tag &#034;Writers worth.&#034; Under that tag you&#039;ll find articles titled &#034;Worthy Tip: This Job Not That Job.&#034; They&#039;re meant to be guides to help you drop the low-paying work and move up the food chain. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mind you, I present alternatives sometimes that aren&#039;t super paying, but they&#039;re exponentially better than what a content farm pays.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And please, stick around. We&#039;re happy to guide you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha, you ask a great question. If you work for a content farm and are trying to do the right thing, my opinion is you are grossly under-employed. Get out. Please. You can do better. With a background like yours and that amount of detailed research, you should be commanding 1,000 times or better what those places are paying you.</p>
<p>Look over on the left for the tag &quot;Writers worth.&quot; Under that tag you&#39;ll find articles titled &quot;Worthy Tip: This Job Not That Job.&quot; They&#39;re meant to be guides to help you drop the low-paying work and move up the food chain. </p>
<p>Mind you, I present alternatives sometimes that aren&#39;t super paying, but they&#39;re exponentially better than what a content farm pays.</p>
<p>And please, stick around. We&#39;re happy to guide you!</p>
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