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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 12:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gabriella -- Wow. You&#039;d think a lawyer of all people would know better. And highly suspect that a marketing person would just assume they authored something without the lawyer saying or at least implying it. Yuck. Glad it&#039;s taken care of though. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lori - The writer you mentioned in response to Anne -- total piece of work. Vanishing degrees (and income). Quite a trick to pull off when you&#039;re also busy screwing over your own contractors. I still wonder what happened to that one sometimes. Funny how those types of attention-seekers eventually quit or at least fade away a bit once they&#039;ve been called out for their BS. Sometimes it&#039;s just a case of different styles not working for everyone, and that&#039;s okay. But when it comes down to blatant dishonesty, they get what they deserve eventually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriella &#8212; Wow. You&#39;d think a lawyer of all people would know better. And highly suspect that a marketing person would just assume they authored something without the lawyer saying or at least implying it. Yuck. Glad it&#39;s taken care of though. </p>
<p>Lori &#8211; The writer you mentioned in response to Anne &#8212; total piece of work. Vanishing degrees (and income). Quite a trick to pull off when you&#39;re also busy screwing over your own contractors. I still wonder what happened to that one sometimes. Funny how those types of attention-seekers eventually quit or at least fade away a bit once they&#39;ve been called out for their BS. Sometimes it&#39;s just a case of different styles not working for everyone, and that&#39;s okay. But when it comes down to blatant dishonesty, they get what they deserve eventually.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gabriella, fear not. I would never write anything negative about you or anyone else who visits here. You&#039;re my peeps. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s pretty insane! A lawyer, who should know better, pulling something illegal - I hope you told her in no uncertain terms you didn&#039;t care who put it up, but she&#039;s the gatekeeper and she&#039;s responsible for anything bearing her name. What a putz to think she could get away with that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, exactly. I hear so many people with the &#034;You MUST do it MY way because I&#039;m so smart I can&#039;t fail!&#034; attitude. Ridiculous. Luckily, there are few of these and many more helpful people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jake, I suspect you&#039;re right. Those who think independently would smell the self-promotion within seconds. In one case, I did within two comments from a particular poster. There are enough people waiting to follow someone to feed those egos, but count me out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Glad to hear there were polite ghosts and goblins at your door. I was surprised that all kids who showed up here would say things like &#034;thank you&#034; and &#034;have a happy Halloween&#034; without a parent in sight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anne, it&#039;s a little worse. Some are regular commenters sometimes who have their own blogs. Like I said, it doesn&#039;t happen often, but it happens. I&#039;m inclined to ignore them, but there are newbies who may be led down the wrong path if they&#039;re smitten. I remember one a number of years ago who touted success at every turn while asking me for money via email to pay utility bills because this person was broke.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jenn, that&#039;s true. It&#039;s prett sad when you see someone so self-absorbed that they believe every post HAS to be about them. Carly Simon&#039;s song fits, doesn&#039;t it? :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriella, fear not. I would never write anything negative about you or anyone else who visits here. You&#39;re my peeps. 🙂</p>
<p>That&#39;s pretty insane! A lawyer, who should know better, pulling something illegal &#8211; I hope you told her in no uncertain terms you didn&#39;t care who put it up, but she&#39;s the gatekeeper and she&#39;s responsible for anything bearing her name. What a putz to think she could get away with that!</p>
<p>Paula, exactly. I hear so many people with the &quot;You MUST do it MY way because I&#39;m so smart I can&#39;t fail!&quot; attitude. Ridiculous. Luckily, there are few of these and many more helpful people.</p>
<p>Jake, I suspect you&#39;re right. Those who think independently would smell the self-promotion within seconds. In one case, I did within two comments from a particular poster. There are enough people waiting to follow someone to feed those egos, but count me out.</p>
<p>Glad to hear there were polite ghosts and goblins at your door. I was surprised that all kids who showed up here would say things like &quot;thank you&quot; and &quot;have a happy Halloween&quot; without a parent in sight.</p>
<p>Anne, it&#39;s a little worse. Some are regular commenters sometimes who have their own blogs. Like I said, it doesn&#39;t happen often, but it happens. I&#39;m inclined to ignore them, but there are newbies who may be led down the wrong path if they&#39;re smitten. I remember one a number of years ago who touted success at every turn while asking me for money via email to pay utility bills because this person was broke.</p>
<p>Jenn, that&#39;s true. It&#39;s prett sad when you see someone so self-absorbed that they believe every post HAS to be about them. Carly Simon&#39;s song fits, doesn&#39;t it? 🙂</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Lori.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t have a comment on the obnoxious posters (geez, I hope you&#039;re not thinking of me!), but I did run into a somewhat related situation yesterday--an attention-seeking source.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Color me stunned to stumble across a lawyer&#039;s bio yesterday in which she listed an article I wrote among her published works, adding that she&#039;d co-authored it with me. Whah?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was furious. I wrote her a polite email saying that I was surprised, that she was one of five sources, not the writer, and that I&#039;d like her to take the reference down immediately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She responded toot sweet saying sorry, that she didn&#039;t know it was there, gosh, who in the marketing department put it there?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Makes me wonder how many other freeloaders there are trying to promote themselves off our work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Lori.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t have a comment on the obnoxious posters (geez, I hope you&#39;re not thinking of me!), but I did run into a somewhat related situation yesterday&#8211;an attention-seeking source.</p>
<p>Color me stunned to stumble across a lawyer&#39;s bio yesterday in which she listed an article I wrote among her published works, adding that she&#39;d co-authored it with me. Whah?!</p>
<p>I was furious. I wrote her a polite email saying that I was surprised, that she was one of five sources, not the writer, and that I&#39;d like her to take the reference down immediately.</p>
<p>She responded toot sweet saying sorry, that she didn&#39;t know it was there, gosh, who in the marketing department put it there?!</p>
<p>Makes me wonder how many other freeloaders there are trying to promote themselves off our work.</p>
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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenn Mattern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welcome back Lori. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think you already know one of my &#034;favorite&#034; attention-whore types in the blogosphere. They&#039;re the ones who hear that you&#039;ll be covering something, and suddenly had the same idea (publishing before they know you will). Once in a while I like to pre-write posts for my blogs and announce on Twitter what&#039;s coming up the following day. Lo and behold, so-and-so suddenly decides to write about the same thing (repeatedly -- so no chance it&#039;s a simple coincidence). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The worst is when it&#039;s a blogger who already gets a lot of attention. They&#039;re too unoriginal to come up with their own material, and they&#039;re happy to take the opportunity to make you look bad (as though you&#039;re parroting them) while they play the &#034;I was first&#034; game. I at least can take solace in the fact that their content usually pales in comparison -- that&#039;s what happens when you rush something out  just to be first instead of thinking before posting. I suppose that&#039;s just another type of Pseudo Originator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course there&#039;s always the self-proclaimed martyr attention-seeker type too. You know the ones. Every other post or comment has some &#034;woe is me&#034; element or some attempt to validate their existence. Because, of course, everything you say &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be about them. Fortunately readers usually pick up on that pathetic form of attention-seeking eventually. Unfortunately, often not fast enough. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and let&#039;s not forget the kiss-ass attention-seekers either. For them it&#039;s less about commenting to promote their links and such to your readers. It&#039;s more about getting your attention (or when reading other blogs you&#039;ll notice it&#039;s all about getting the attention of that better-known blogger). These are often the users. They want to ride others&#039; coat tails, and in the process they tend to get in the way of actual constructive conversations. The blogger might not always mind. But it can be a big annoyance to other readers and commenters on the blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Lori. </p>
<p>I think you already know one of my &quot;favorite&quot; attention-whore types in the blogosphere. They&#39;re the ones who hear that you&#39;ll be covering something, and suddenly had the same idea (publishing before they know you will). Once in a while I like to pre-write posts for my blogs and announce on Twitter what&#39;s coming up the following day. Lo and behold, so-and-so suddenly decides to write about the same thing (repeatedly &#8212; so no chance it&#39;s a simple coincidence). </p>
<p>The worst is when it&#39;s a blogger who already gets a lot of attention. They&#39;re too unoriginal to come up with their own material, and they&#39;re happy to take the opportunity to make you look bad (as though you&#39;re parroting them) while they play the &quot;I was first&quot; game. I at least can take solace in the fact that their content usually pales in comparison &#8212; that&#39;s what happens when you rush something out  just to be first instead of thinking before posting. I suppose that&#39;s just another type of Pseudo Originator.</p>
<p>Of course there&#39;s always the self-proclaimed martyr attention-seeker type too. You know the ones. Every other post or comment has some &quot;woe is me&quot; element or some attempt to validate their existence. Because, of course, everything you say <i>must</i> be about them. Fortunately readers usually pick up on that pathetic form of attention-seeking eventually. Unfortunately, often not fast enough. </p>
<p>Oh, and let&#39;s not forget the kiss-ass attention-seekers either. For them it&#39;s less about commenting to promote their links and such to your readers. It&#39;s more about getting your attention (or when reading other blogs you&#39;ll notice it&#39;s all about getting the attention of that better-known blogger). These are often the users. They want to ride others&#39; coat tails, and in the process they tend to get in the way of actual constructive conversations. The blogger might not always mind. But it can be a big annoyance to other readers and commenters on the blog.</p>
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		By: Anne Wayman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lori, always figured the pimp was actually spam comments... put there semi automatically... I delete them. Maybe I&#039;m wrong - happened a couple of times already even today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lori, always figured the pimp was actually spam comments&#8230; put there semi automatically&#8230; I delete them. Maybe I&#39;m wrong &#8211; happened a couple of times already even today.</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyber-Gremlins have eaten my comment again. Unless, of course, I managed to comment on some other post, in which case it would make no sense. I don&#039;t remember much of what I said. I do remember what I mentioned about the expert part of the post. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I so agree about that. What I really hate, though, is when I see a post of a blogger&#039;s opinion about something and a commenter saying, &#034;Obviously you haven&#039;t read the article. If you had, you would know...&#034; Please, no condescending tones for someone who is only stating an opinion. I won&#039;t take you seriously. Like you say, it&#039;s okay to disagree, just don&#039;t be an a*s about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyber-Gremlins have eaten my comment again. Unless, of course, I managed to comment on some other post, in which case it would make no sense. I don&#39;t remember much of what I said. I do remember what I mentioned about the expert part of the post. </p>
<p>I so agree about that. What I really hate, though, is when I see a post of a blogger&#39;s opinion about something and a commenter saying, &quot;Obviously you haven&#39;t read the article. If you had, you would know&#8230;&quot; Please, no condescending tones for someone who is only stating an opinion. I won&#39;t take you seriously. Like you say, it&#39;s okay to disagree, just don&#39;t be an a*s about it.</p>
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		By: Jake P		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think one of the challenges with blog etiquette is that it&#039;s largely common sense. Most polite people would instinctively recognize those as ham-handed attempts as self-aggrandizement. (Ultimately, you&#039;d like to think they&#039;re self-defeating, too.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a related cultural note, my wife and I took note of the percentage of kids who said &#034;thank you&#034; upon receiving candy last night. I took solace in the parents with wee ones who coached them to say thank you -- those are the kids for whom politeness will eventually be second nature when they&#039;re on their own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the challenges with blog etiquette is that it&#39;s largely common sense. Most polite people would instinctively recognize those as ham-handed attempts as self-aggrandizement. (Ultimately, you&#39;d like to think they&#39;re self-defeating, too.)</p>
<p>On a related cultural note, my wife and I took note of the percentage of kids who said &quot;thank you&quot; upon receiving candy last night. I took solace in the parents with wee ones who coached them to say thank you &#8212; those are the kids for whom politeness will eventually be second nature when they&#39;re on their own.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was wondering how long it might be before you broached this topic, Lori. Weren&#039;t we discussing at least one of these types before your big Irish adventure?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Blog pimps are the most irksome to me. It&#039;s stealing the thunder from the blog or group you&#039;re commenting at without adding any meaningful contributions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is another sub-category. It&#039;s not quite the &#034;I&#039;m-the-one...&#034; you mentioned, but close. I&#039;m talking about the people who post under the pretext of offering helpful advice, but really do it to toot their own horns. I&#039;ve seen a lot of what I&#039;d consider fairly inexperienced freelancers trying to position themselves as all-knowing oracles of the freelance world. Most don&#039;t have the credentials or clips to back their claims. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know the type: I&#039;m the highest-paid writer ever; What recession? I&#039;m turning away clients by the drove so you must be doing something wrong!; clients bow to my every demand because I&#039;m the best. They usually follow up by directing people to their blog or to a website where they can purchase their e-books or hire the self-professed &#034;expert&#034; to be their writing coach.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those overly aggressive types need to learn when and where self-promotion is appropriate before their hard sell tactics backfire and drive people away. Some smack of such desperation that I get the feeling they&#039;re actually trying to convince themselves they&#039;re successful professionals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering how long it might be before you broached this topic, Lori. Weren&#39;t we discussing at least one of these types before your big Irish adventure?</p>
<p>Blog pimps are the most irksome to me. It&#39;s stealing the thunder from the blog or group you&#39;re commenting at without adding any meaningful contributions.</p>
<p>There is another sub-category. It&#39;s not quite the &quot;I&#39;m-the-one&#8230;&quot; you mentioned, but close. I&#39;m talking about the people who post under the pretext of offering helpful advice, but really do it to toot their own horns. I&#39;ve seen a lot of what I&#39;d consider fairly inexperienced freelancers trying to position themselves as all-knowing oracles of the freelance world. Most don&#39;t have the credentials or clips to back their claims. </p>
<p>You know the type: I&#39;m the highest-paid writer ever; What recession? I&#39;m turning away clients by the drove so you must be doing something wrong!; clients bow to my every demand because I&#39;m the best. They usually follow up by directing people to their blog or to a website where they can purchase their e-books or hire the self-professed &quot;expert&quot; to be their writing coach.</p>
<p>Those overly aggressive types need to learn when and where self-promotion is appropriate before their hard sell tactics backfire and drive people away. Some smack of such desperation that I get the feeling they&#39;re actually trying to convince themselves they&#39;re successful professionals.</p>
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