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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen to that, Amie!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that, Amie!</p>
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		By: Amie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about: &lt;b&gt;Adding visuals and using bullets instead of text does NOT necessarily make a document more readable.&lt;/b&gt;  If you have to worry about people not reading a piece because there is too much text, maybe there&#039;s something else to worry about besides the text.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about: <b>Adding visuals and using bullets instead of text does NOT necessarily make a document more readable.</b>  If you have to worry about people not reading a piece because there is too much text, maybe there&#39;s something else to worry about besides the text.</p>
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		By: Cathy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paula-LOL!! I have to try some of those tricks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula-LOL!! I have to try some of those tricks.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cassie, good seeing you here. I enjoy your blog, as well as Kathy&#039;s. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another meaningless phrase to avoid: &#034;At the end of the day...&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, another: &#034;value proposition&#034;. In truth, I think the proper term would be &#034;value proposal&#034; but they&#039;re so busy bandying this about they don&#039;t bother to check.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassie, good seeing you here. I enjoy your blog, as well as Kathy&#39;s. 🙂</p>
<p>Another meaningless phrase to avoid: &quot;At the end of the day&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Oh, another: &quot;value proposition&quot;. In truth, I think the proper term would be &quot;value proposal&quot; but they&#39;re so busy bandying this about they don&#39;t bother to check.</p>
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		By: Cassie Tuttle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassie Tuttle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a copyeditor, so I especially enjoyed Kathy&#039;s blog post.  Thanks for sharing, Lori.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve been fortunate: no client has ever questioned my changes or challenged me to a grammar duel.  My key to that success is working with &#034;reputable,&#034; experienced clients who themselves are familiar with, e.g., the Chicago Manual of Style. And many of them have their own in-house style guidelines, we were are both, literally, on the same page.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I did have to come up with a cheat sheet, I&#039;d include:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;- Use serial commas;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;- Use a comma in compound sentence;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;- It&#039;s okay to split infinitives&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;- Beware of &#034;meaningless&#034; and unnecessary words (for example, &#034;very,&#034; &#034;obviously,&#034; &#034;that said,&#034; &#034;this point in time&#034;);&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and finally,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;- Just because you or I say it&#039;s so doesn&#039;t always make it right.  Language evolves.  It&#039;s okay to break some rules sometimes.  Be flexible.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a copyeditor, so I especially enjoyed Kathy&#39;s blog post.  Thanks for sharing, Lori.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been fortunate: no client has ever questioned my changes or challenged me to a grammar duel.  My key to that success is working with &quot;reputable,&quot; experienced clients who themselves are familiar with, e.g., the Chicago Manual of Style. And many of them have their own in-house style guidelines, we were are both, literally, on the same page.</p>
<p>If I did have to come up with a cheat sheet, I&#39;d include:</p>
<p><b>&#8211; Use serial commas;</b></p>
<p><b>&#8211; Use a comma in compound sentence;</b></p>
<p><b>&#8211; It&#39;s okay to split infinitives</b></p>
<p><b>&#8211; Beware of &quot;meaningless&quot; and unnecessary words (for example, &quot;very,&quot; &quot;obviously,&quot; &quot;that said,&quot; &quot;this point in time&quot;);</b></p>
<p>and finally,</p>
<p><b>&#8211; Just because you or I say it&#39;s so doesn&#39;t always make it right.  Language evolves.  It&#39;s okay to break some rules sometimes.  Be flexible.</b></p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 17:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ashley, Jake, and Cathy - send me an email. Thank you for helping!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Devon, that&#039;s exactly it. I now have a clause in my contract that voids it if I&#039;m expected to work with people not named in that contract. It&#039;s only fair. If they want them involved, they&#039;ll pay for me to please more people. The idea being trust me or pay the price....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eileen, exactly. If I&#039;m writing blog posts or marketing copy, it&#039;s not going to be as formal as say a textbook. You don&#039;t want to sound stilted or like you&#039;re talking down to your audience. Love that phrase: &#034; you&#039;re going to have to pry your clenched fingers off of Strunk and White.&#034; :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cathy, you are perfect. I think we&#039;ve already discusse that, right? LOL I hate when my intentional fragments are edited, too. Sometimes the effect just begs for a fragment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sandra, you must have it tough. First, you have to teach them the rules verbatim, then you have to tell them they won&#039;t always be the best choice. I feel for you! Yes, I&#039;m loving &lt;i&gt;Rebecca&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s beautifully written!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jake, around these parts my husband is the grammar cop. He&#039;s worse than I am, so he&#039;s upped my game a bit. And my daughter is now correcting everyone, too. Then she curses &#034;Dammit! Look what he&#039;s turned me into!&#034; :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And don&#039;t knock auto transmissions - if you lived in this traffic, you&#039;d not want to shift, either. Besides, mine&#039;s turbo. LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ashley, that&#039;s a riot! I get a lot of &#034;I went to a Marketing seminar and THIS guy says....&#034; Then hire HIM, not me. If you hire me, I do it my way, which is usually just as good as whatever notion you&#039;ve picked up in a workshop. Same goes for those who take recruiter advice on resumes - I&#039;m certified to write them. Your recruiter is not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Exactly, Paula! Passive voice drives me nuts. And I love the manual-related suggestion. Perfect!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley, Jake, and Cathy &#8211; send me an email. Thank you for helping!</p>
<p>Devon, that&#39;s exactly it. I now have a clause in my contract that voids it if I&#39;m expected to work with people not named in that contract. It&#39;s only fair. If they want them involved, they&#39;ll pay for me to please more people. The idea being trust me or pay the price&#8230;.</p>
<p>Eileen, exactly. If I&#39;m writing blog posts or marketing copy, it&#39;s not going to be as formal as say a textbook. You don&#39;t want to sound stilted or like you&#39;re talking down to your audience. Love that phrase: &quot; you&#39;re going to have to pry your clenched fingers off of Strunk and White.&quot; 🙂</p>
<p>Cathy, you are perfect. I think we&#39;ve already discusse that, right? LOL I hate when my intentional fragments are edited, too. Sometimes the effect just begs for a fragment.</p>
<p>Sandra, you must have it tough. First, you have to teach them the rules verbatim, then you have to tell them they won&#39;t always be the best choice. I feel for you! Yes, I&#39;m loving <i>Rebecca</i>. It&#39;s beautifully written!</p>
<p>Jake, around these parts my husband is the grammar cop. He&#39;s worse than I am, so he&#39;s upped my game a bit. And my daughter is now correcting everyone, too. Then she curses &quot;Dammit! Look what he&#39;s turned me into!&quot; 🙂</p>
<p>And don&#39;t knock auto transmissions &#8211; if you lived in this traffic, you&#39;d not want to shift, either. Besides, mine&#39;s turbo. LOL</p>
<p>Ashley, that&#39;s a riot! I get a lot of &quot;I went to a Marketing seminar and THIS guy says&#8230;.&quot; Then hire HIM, not me. If you hire me, I do it my way, which is usually just as good as whatever notion you&#39;ve picked up in a workshop. Same goes for those who take recruiter advice on resumes &#8211; I&#39;m certified to write them. Your recruiter is not.</p>
<p>Exactly, Paula! Passive voice drives me nuts. And I love the manual-related suggestion. Perfect!</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy, I feel your pain! One really bad editor of mine butchered everything by trying to make it &#034;fun&#034; and  including really bad puns. Another place I write for sometimes lets interns edit my pieces. I can always spot their edits because they &#034;correct&#034; things that were obviously written for effect. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just this week an editor sent me feedback from a client who said they&#039;d gone ahead and corrected a missing period. I scoured my original copy top to bottom and there was no missing terminal punctuation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My dad (graphic artist by day, cartoonist by night) had a great approach to fussy clients. He would add tiny errors to jobs for clients that were never satisfied until they found something to complain about. Finding the flaw bolstered their egos. Dad quickly fixed the &#034;mistake&#034; and everyone was happy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s another approach to dealing with the &#034;I passed high school English, so I&#039;m a writer&#034; types who want to correct the pros: Talk over their heads. Ask if they&#039;re using MLA, AP or Chicago style books. Rattle on about subjunctives, gerunds and passive/active voices. Heck, make up some arcane rules and see if they pretend to know what you&#039;re talking about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyone else notice that the people most likely to complain about proper usage tend to put everything into passive voice? Why? Because it&#039;s so stilted that they think it sounds more formal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, I feel your pain! One really bad editor of mine butchered everything by trying to make it &quot;fun&quot; and  including really bad puns. Another place I write for sometimes lets interns edit my pieces. I can always spot their edits because they &quot;correct&quot; things that were obviously written for effect. </p>
<p>Just this week an editor sent me feedback from a client who said they&#39;d gone ahead and corrected a missing period. I scoured my original copy top to bottom and there was no missing terminal punctuation. </p>
<p>My dad (graphic artist by day, cartoonist by night) had a great approach to fussy clients. He would add tiny errors to jobs for clients that were never satisfied until they found something to complain about. Finding the flaw bolstered their egos. Dad quickly fixed the &quot;mistake&quot; and everyone was happy.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s another approach to dealing with the &quot;I passed high school English, so I&#39;m a writer&quot; types who want to correct the pros: Talk over their heads. Ask if they&#39;re using MLA, AP or Chicago style books. Rattle on about subjunctives, gerunds and passive/active voices. Heck, make up some arcane rules and see if they pretend to know what you&#39;re talking about.</p>
<p>Anyone else notice that the people most likely to complain about proper usage tend to put everything into passive voice? Why? Because it&#39;s so stilted that they think it sounds more formal.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate arguing with people about grammar. It&#039;s especially annoying with people who &#034;went to a workshop&#034; and now think they are editors (or writers, or PR people, or whatever). For some reason, their two-hour workshop somehow tops my 10+ years&#039; study and practice in this field. Strange, isn&#039;t it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d love to provide a guest post if you&#039;re still in need, Lori. Have a great weekend everyone!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate arguing with people about grammar. It&#39;s especially annoying with people who &quot;went to a workshop&quot; and now think they are editors (or writers, or PR people, or whatever). For some reason, their two-hour workshop somehow tops my 10+ years&#39; study and practice in this field. Strange, isn&#39;t it?</p>
<p>I&#39;d love to provide a guest post if you&#39;re still in need, Lori. Have a great weekend everyone!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of my clients calls me regularly to play a little game I call Grammar Referee. There&#039;s a pluperfect marketing VP in her office who is always finding fault with some grammatical thing or another (not just stuff I&#039;ve written, EVERYTHING). So she&#039;ll call me and ask for an official ruling, with citation from the dictionary or CMS. The VP is wrong 99% of the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Re: the unspeakable tedium that is grammar checker...I was at lunch with a half-dozen freelancers yesterday, and several of them said they swear by it. I almost choked on my burger. Right after Annoying Mr. Paperclip, that&#039;s the first thing I shut off in Word. It&#039;s like driving a car with a crappy automatic transition -- please, let me drive the stick!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;LW, count me in as a relief pitcher if your bullpen isn&#039;t already full.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my clients calls me regularly to play a little game I call Grammar Referee. There&#39;s a pluperfect marketing VP in her office who is always finding fault with some grammatical thing or another (not just stuff I&#39;ve written, EVERYTHING). So she&#39;ll call me and ask for an official ruling, with citation from the dictionary or CMS. The VP is wrong 99% of the time.</p>
<p>Re: the unspeakable tedium that is grammar checker&#8230;I was at lunch with a half-dozen freelancers yesterday, and several of them said they swear by it. I almost choked on my burger. Right after Annoying Mr. Paperclip, that&#39;s the first thing I shut off in Word. It&#39;s like driving a car with a crappy automatic transition &#8212; please, let me drive the stick!</p>
<p>LW, count me in as a relief pitcher if your bullpen isn&#39;t already full.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a great reading choice. _Rebecca_ is one of my all-time favorite books! Nobody does Gothic British fiction like Du Maurier. &lt;br /&gt;I teach high school English and it&#039;s hard to help them understand that grammar is not always black and white. There are many exceptions, more than one right answer, and multiple opinions about what is best. It&#039;s a hard call.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great reading choice. _Rebecca_ is one of my all-time favorite books! Nobody does Gothic British fiction like Du Maurier. <br />I teach high school English and it&#39;s hard to help them understand that grammar is not always black and white. There are many exceptions, more than one right answer, and multiple opinions about what is best. It&#39;s a hard call.</p>
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