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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy, maybe that&#039;s precisely why it pains me - my name is on much of this. Where it isn&#039;t I speak once and let go. Then again, there are those times their ideas have gotten in the way of our relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eileen, I have that same issue with allowing sources to see their quotes. Almost without fail they&#039;ll edit the sentences prior to their quotes (I give that much for them to see it in context). If it makes sense, I&#039;ll accept it. If not, I disregard. They&#039;re the source - I&#039;m the writer. End of discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deb, sometimes the problem is you &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; convince them otherwise. I opt to quote chapter-and-verse of the style guide I&#039;m using, but even then I get the headstrong who learned in high school that no, you should never do it that way. Funny how they remain archaic grammar rules, yet cannot do the project themselves. And won&#039;t trust us to. Humph.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sarah, I agree. Frustrating as sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clare, with the press release client, I resolved that one by charging by the hour. ;))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, perhaps the difference between your friend and us writers is maybe we understand when it&#039;s for effect and when it&#039;s just plain wrong. I&#039;ve seen incomplete sentences that scream &#034;I have no clue!&#034; Or more like &#034;I have. No clue.&#034; LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Becky, I&#039;ll take your comments no matter what name tag you&#039;re wearing. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ashley, I agree. If the level of control is so high that your writer has to pass through an electronic version of a third-grade English teacher, the problem isn&#039;t your writer. And while it confirms why you need a writer in the first place, it doesn&#039;t make it any easier for ANY writer to get the job done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shout out well deserved, Valerie! I remember one particularly nasty discussion with a client - he ran the edits past his &#034;internal editors&#034; (I read that to mean his janitor and receptionist). He pitched six fits and dropped me. Sorry, dude. Not my fault, especially given that you kept refusing my edits and losing the relevant ones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jen, perfect! Understand the rules before you break them - exactly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, maybe that&#39;s precisely why it pains me &#8211; my name is on much of this. Where it isn&#39;t I speak once and let go. Then again, there are those times their ideas have gotten in the way of our relationship.</p>
<p>Eileen, I have that same issue with allowing sources to see their quotes. Almost without fail they&#39;ll edit the sentences prior to their quotes (I give that much for them to see it in context). If it makes sense, I&#39;ll accept it. If not, I disregard. They&#39;re the source &#8211; I&#39;m the writer. End of discussion.</p>
<p>Deb, sometimes the problem is you <i>can&#39;t</i> convince them otherwise. I opt to quote chapter-and-verse of the style guide I&#39;m using, but even then I get the headstrong who learned in high school that no, you should never do it that way. Funny how they remain archaic grammar rules, yet cannot do the project themselves. And won&#39;t trust us to. Humph.</p>
<p>Sarah, I agree. Frustrating as sin.</p>
<p>Clare, with the press release client, I resolved that one by charging by the hour. ;))</p>
<p>Paula, perhaps the difference between your friend and us writers is maybe we understand when it&#39;s for effect and when it&#39;s just plain wrong. I&#39;ve seen incomplete sentences that scream &quot;I have no clue!&quot; Or more like &quot;I have. No clue.&quot; LOL</p>
<p>Becky, I&#39;ll take your comments no matter what name tag you&#39;re wearing. 🙂</p>
<p>Ashley, I agree. If the level of control is so high that your writer has to pass through an electronic version of a third-grade English teacher, the problem isn&#39;t your writer. And while it confirms why you need a writer in the first place, it doesn&#39;t make it any easier for ANY writer to get the job done.</p>
<p>Shout out well deserved, Valerie! I remember one particularly nasty discussion with a client &#8211; he ran the edits past his &quot;internal editors&quot; (I read that to mean his janitor and receptionist). He pitched six fits and dropped me. Sorry, dude. Not my fault, especially given that you kept refusing my edits and losing the relevant ones.</p>
<p>Jen, perfect! Understand the rules before you break them &#8211; exactly!</p>
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		By: Jennifer Williamson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Williamson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This doesn&#039;t happen to me a lot, but when it does, I explain my position...and there&#039;s always a good explanation. As writers, we know that using deliberately incorrect technique can sometimes make the writing more approachable and conversational... but you have to understand the rules before you break them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#39;t happen to me a lot, but when it does, I explain my position&#8230;and there&#39;s always a good explanation. As writers, we know that using deliberately incorrect technique can sometimes make the writing more approachable and conversational&#8230; but you have to understand the rules before you break them.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha, thanks for the shout out! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m amazed by how many clients get completely intractable over the one or two rules they retained from their high school English class thirty years ago. Those kind of discussions never go well. But what I dread the most are clients who think good writing involves sounding as pompous and flowery as possible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To resolve disagreements, I try to just point to a third party authority like AP. Sometimes it works - and sometimes nothing does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, thanks for the shout out! </p>
<p>I&#39;m amazed by how many clients get completely intractable over the one or two rules they retained from their high school English class thirty years ago. Those kind of discussions never go well. But what I dread the most are clients who think good writing involves sounding as pompous and flowery as possible. </p>
<p>To resolve disagreements, I try to just point to a third party authority like AP. Sometimes it works &#8211; and sometimes nothing does.</p>
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		By: Ashley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. I&#039;ve had that argument with bosses before but not yet a client. It&#039;s hilarious when people believe a computer program is smarter than the human mind or that writing &#034;rules&#034; never have an exception. Seriously, if they were capable of writing it themselves, then they shouldn&#039;t need to hire a writer, huh? Good for you for getting rid of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#39;ve had that argument with bosses before but not yet a client. It&#39;s hilarious when people believe a computer program is smarter than the human mind or that writing &quot;rules&quot; never have an exception. Seriously, if they were capable of writing it themselves, then they shouldn&#39;t need to hire a writer, huh? Good for you for getting rid of them.</p>
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		By: becky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(I hate it when I sign in w/the wrong account. Doh!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I hate it when I sign in w/the wrong account. Doh!)</p>
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		By: becky @ misspriss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becky @ misspriss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess I&#039;ve been fortunate -- so far -- to have missed having this problem. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s only a matter of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#39;ve been fortunate &#8212; so far &#8212; to have missed having this problem. I&#39;m sure it&#39;s only a matter of time.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay - so those typos in my post above? Not intentional. (I try to save perfection for paying gigs. At least that&#039;s what I tell myself.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8211; so those typos in my post above? Not intentional. (I try to save perfection for paying gigs. At least that&#39;s what I tell myself.)</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just yesterday a friend of mine who does a little writing on the side  corrected something I&#039;d written, saying. When I pointed out I&#039;d punctuated it that way intentionally, she said, &#034;Well, I never put a period unless it&#039;s a COMPLETE sentence.&#034; I pointed out that sometimes it&#039;s more effective to use fragments to help get the point across.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One place I write for uses a lot of interns. I can always tell when they&#039;ve edited my work since they want to impress the editors by catching everything. Problem is they don&#039;t always &#034;errors&#034; are intentional. If I said, &#034;Ain&#039;t it the truth!&#034; they&#039;d probably change it to &#034;Isn&#039;t that the truth!&#034;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love it when the hypercritical would-be editors &#034;correct&#034; something that already is technically correct. Like the subjunctive. &#034;If I were you...&#034; is correct, but most of these yahoos will incorrectly assume it should be &#034;I was.&#034; I love giving them the subjunctive lecture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes the &#034;corrections&#034; one makes simply reveal how little one truly knows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just yesterday a friend of mine who does a little writing on the side  corrected something I&#39;d written, saying. When I pointed out I&#39;d punctuated it that way intentionally, she said, &quot;Well, I never put a period unless it&#39;s a COMPLETE sentence.&quot; I pointed out that sometimes it&#39;s more effective to use fragments to help get the point across.</p>
<p>One place I write for uses a lot of interns. I can always tell when they&#39;ve edited my work since they want to impress the editors by catching everything. Problem is they don&#39;t always &quot;errors&quot; are intentional. If I said, &quot;Ain&#39;t it the truth!&quot; they&#39;d probably change it to &quot;Isn&#39;t that the truth!&quot;  </p>
<p>I love it when the hypercritical would-be editors &quot;correct&quot; something that already is technically correct. Like the subjunctive. &quot;If I were you&#8230;&quot; is correct, but most of these yahoos will incorrectly assume it should be &quot;I was.&quot; I love giving them the subjunctive lecture.</p>
<p>Sometimes the &quot;corrections&quot; one makes simply reveal how little one truly knows.</p>
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		By: Clare Lynch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clare Lynch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Next time a client moans about that stupid preposition rule, quote Winston Churchill (who was quite good with words, I seem to recall): &#034;Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And as for your silly client wanting to spice up their press release with ridiculous non-synonyms for &#034;said&#034;, I suggest you ask them to read the publications they are hoping to get coverage in. How many uses of &#034;contended&#034;, &#034;explained&#034; etc can they find?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time a client moans about that stupid preposition rule, quote Winston Churchill (who was quite good with words, I seem to recall): &quot;Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.&quot;</p>
<p>And as for your silly client wanting to spice up their press release with ridiculous non-synonyms for &quot;said&quot;, I suggest you ask them to read the publications they are hoping to get coverage in. How many uses of &quot;contended&quot;, &quot;explained&quot; etc can they find?</p>
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		By: Sarah Nagel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Nagel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugh. So frustrating! I think all writers deal with this. It’s frustrating when people insist on following certain “rules” without taking the time to understand why they have advantages/disadvantages in different contexts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. So frustrating! I think all writers deal with this. It’s frustrating when people insist on following certain “rules” without taking the time to understand why they have advantages/disadvantages in different contexts.</p>
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