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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Janiss, I find that more common in magazines these days. It&#039;s rare that I do get a contract for magazine work. The difference between now and the 80s-90s (I remember Creem very well!) is we have emails to back up any verbal agreements. But there was a sense then that one&#039;s word was golden. Nowadays, one&#039;s word is interchangable with one&#039;s latest thoughts, depending on the person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janiss, I find that more common in magazines these days. It&#39;s rare that I do get a contract for magazine work. The difference between now and the 80s-90s (I remember Creem very well!) is we have emails to back up any verbal agreements. But there was a sense then that one&#39;s word was golden. Nowadays, one&#39;s word is interchangable with one&#39;s latest thoughts, depending on the person.</p>
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		By: Janiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back in the old days (i.e., late 1980s, early 1990s), I used to write for rock magazines sans contract all the time. I&#039;m not sure any of them actually had contracts! Did I get burned? Less often than you might think, and only because the magazine went out of business. Am I sorry I wrote the stories? No, because they were for Creem, which is still a great writing credit to have. Plus one of the articles ranks among the best pieces I ever wrote, and it was about a band I adored (a little known grunge group called Tad).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, these days, I require a contract. And I&#039;ve found most established, professional magazines, publishers and companies give you one without question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the old days (i.e., late 1980s, early 1990s), I used to write for rock magazines sans contract all the time. I&#39;m not sure any of them actually had contracts! Did I get burned? Less often than you might think, and only because the magazine went out of business. Am I sorry I wrote the stories? No, because they were for Creem, which is still a great writing credit to have. Plus one of the articles ranks among the best pieces I ever wrote, and it was about a band I adored (a little known grunge group called Tad).</p>
<p>That said, these days, I require a contract. And I&#39;ve found most established, professional magazines, publishers and companies give you one without question.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrea, it&#039;s taken a few burn marks to bring you that advice. ;) It&#039;s not foolproof, but it&#039;s legal recourse should the client not pay or refuse using some excuse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Likewise, Devon. I can trust the client all I like - my attorney doesn&#039;t. That&#039;s my reason. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Georganna, I love when you show up. It&#039;s always good stuff. :) I&#039;ve done a handful of gentlemen&#039;s agreements without issue, but on lower-paying items and usually with email backup, such as articles or press releases. Not the big stuff, however.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, I agree. Magazines - the first time, a contract. Once you&#039;ve both proven yourselves, an email agreemnt should be enough. Should be - not a guarantee. Nothing in life is guaranteed, is it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea, it&#39;s taken a few burn marks to bring you that advice. 😉 It&#39;s not foolproof, but it&#39;s legal recourse should the client not pay or refuse using some excuse.</p>
<p>Likewise, Devon. I can trust the client all I like &#8211; my attorney doesn&#39;t. That&#39;s my reason. 🙂</p>
<p>Georganna, I love when you show up. It&#39;s always good stuff. 🙂 I&#39;ve done a handful of gentlemen&#39;s agreements without issue, but on lower-paying items and usually with email backup, such as articles or press releases. Not the big stuff, however.</p>
<p>Paula, I agree. Magazines &#8211; the first time, a contract. Once you&#39;ve both proven yourselves, an email agreemnt should be enough. Should be &#8211; not a guarantee. Nothing in life is guaranteed, is it?</p>
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		By: Andrea Franco-Cook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea Franco-Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Lori. This is especially prudent advice for &#034;newbie&#034; freelancers like me. I will heed it.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lori. This is especially prudent advice for &quot;newbie&quot; freelancers like me. I will heed it.  </p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The one time I was burned (the magazine folded owing me for two feature articles) I had a contract. It didn&#039;t help, since there was such a long line of other creditors in front of me who got what little was left.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With one of my major clients - one I&#039;ve been working for without any problems for over 13 years - had writers sign an initial contract (amended several years ago to account for electronic reprint rights, but they almost never put articles on their site). They only buy one-time rights, and after a short period of time, you&#039;re allowed to resell your stories elsewhere. In 2009 they decided to try a new contract for each article, but it got so cumbersome with some of us doing three, four, or more articles in a single issue. So they&#039;re revising it now, hoping to get an annual contract lined up.  So I guess, officially, we&#039;re working without contracts now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The funny thing is one editor will assign stories with the word count and specific payment fees. The other editor will give a wider word count range, and usually says, &#034;I trust your judgment, and we&#039;ll negotiate the fee once it&#039;s done.&#034; Call me strange, but that&#039;s what I prefer. And - as was the case last week - doing things her way often results in higher pay because she knows when certain articles were more difficult than we&#039;d expected, and kicks in a little more to make up for the extra effort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t work so casually with any other publications, but this one has a great track record with me, and things usually work out in my favor. I know the magazine backwards and forwards, and they know my work well enough to know they&#039;ve never had to make major changes or heavy edits. They know I won&#039;t leave them hanging, and I know they&#039;ll pay fairly - and fast. So it&#039;s mutually beneficial. It doesn&#039;t hurt that it&#039;s an award-winning glossy that&#039;s not easy to break into.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d rather trust those editors than newer clients with detailed contracts. Contracts aren&#039;t really worth anything if the company fails and there&#039;s no one left to take to court. And that&#039;s definitely a point to consider in this economy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time I was burned (the magazine folded owing me for two feature articles) I had a contract. It didn&#39;t help, since there was such a long line of other creditors in front of me who got what little was left.</p>
<p>With one of my major clients &#8211; one I&#39;ve been working for without any problems for over 13 years &#8211; had writers sign an initial contract (amended several years ago to account for electronic reprint rights, but they almost never put articles on their site). They only buy one-time rights, and after a short period of time, you&#39;re allowed to resell your stories elsewhere. In 2009 they decided to try a new contract for each article, but it got so cumbersome with some of us doing three, four, or more articles in a single issue. So they&#39;re revising it now, hoping to get an annual contract lined up.  So I guess, officially, we&#39;re working without contracts now.</p>
<p>The funny thing is one editor will assign stories with the word count and specific payment fees. The other editor will give a wider word count range, and usually says, &quot;I trust your judgment, and we&#39;ll negotiate the fee once it&#39;s done.&quot; Call me strange, but that&#39;s what I prefer. And &#8211; as was the case last week &#8211; doing things her way often results in higher pay because she knows when certain articles were more difficult than we&#39;d expected, and kicks in a little more to make up for the extra effort.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t work so casually with any other publications, but this one has a great track record with me, and things usually work out in my favor. I know the magazine backwards and forwards, and they know my work well enough to know they&#39;ve never had to make major changes or heavy edits. They know I won&#39;t leave them hanging, and I know they&#39;ll pay fairly &#8211; and fast. So it&#39;s mutually beneficial. It doesn&#39;t hurt that it&#39;s an award-winning glossy that&#39;s not easy to break into.</p>
<p>I&#39;d rather trust those editors than newer clients with detailed contracts. Contracts aren&#39;t really worth anything if the company fails and there&#39;s no one left to take to court. And that&#39;s definitely a point to consider in this economy.</p>
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		By: Georganna Hancock M.S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georganna Hancock M.S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was freelancing writing, I always worked on the &#034;gentleman&#039;s agreement&#034; basis. Only once was I screwed. I took the jerk to Small Claims Court and won, but still he didn&#039;t pay. That&#039;s when I learned that I had no other recourse. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, as an editor, I make people agree that our email stands as a contract (but I still offer a more formal one if they wish). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I quit working without a down payment after doing  rush jobs for a couple of local companies last year or so. One delayed payment for three months. The other flat out refused to pay unless I delivered his white paper first and he approved--after I&#039;d spent four hours editing his poor grammar! He said he&#039;d never worked with a &#034;creative&#034; before that did not operate the way he wanted. I curtly informed him that editing was not &#034;creative&#034; writing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No more Ms. Nice Girl here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was freelancing writing, I always worked on the &quot;gentleman&#39;s agreement&quot; basis. Only once was I screwed. I took the jerk to Small Claims Court and won, but still he didn&#39;t pay. That&#39;s when I learned that I had no other recourse. </p>
<p>Now, as an editor, I make people agree that our email stands as a contract (but I still offer a more formal one if they wish). </p>
<p>And I quit working without a down payment after doing  rush jobs for a couple of local companies last year or so. One delayed payment for three months. The other flat out refused to pay unless I delivered his white paper first and he approved&#8211;after I&#39;d spent four hours editing his poor grammar! He said he&#39;d never worked with a &quot;creative&quot; before that did not operate the way he wanted. I curtly informed him that editing was not &quot;creative&quot; writing.</p>
<p>No more Ms. Nice Girl here.</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Early on, yes, and I was burned, and that&#039;s how I learned.  Now, I don&#039;t write without a SIGNED contract -- signed by both parties -- in place.  Because sometimes they send you the contract, you sign it, but they never send back the copy with their signature on it.  And I don&#039;t consider it a signed deal until the contract is signed by both parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early on, yes, and I was burned, and that&#39;s how I learned.  Now, I don&#39;t write without a SIGNED contract &#8212; signed by both parties &#8212; in place.  Because sometimes they send you the contract, you sign it, but they never send back the copy with their signature on it.  And I don&#39;t consider it a signed deal until the contract is signed by both parties.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hear hear, Eileen. I&#039;ve had the same situations, and I&#039;ve been burned. NEVER start without the contract!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear, Eileen. I&#39;ve had the same situations, and I&#39;ve been burned. NEVER start without the contract!</p>
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		By: Eileen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eileen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall very early in my freelance career doing this once or twice. &#034;I put the contract in the mail; go ahead and get started,&#034; etc. I don&#039;t remember the details, but those few instances didn&#039;t end well. There&#039;s another little trick to beware of, too: clients who send the deposit, but not the signed contract. If you proceed without it, it will come back to bite you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall very early in my freelance career doing this once or twice. &quot;I put the contract in the mail; go ahead and get started,&quot; etc. I don&#39;t remember the details, but those few instances didn&#39;t end well. There&#39;s another little trick to beware of, too: clients who send the deposit, but not the signed contract. If you proceed without it, it will come back to bite you.</p>
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