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		By: Jenn Mattern		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugh. Don&#039;t get me started on the big brother issue. Odesk is the primary culprit. I had it out with one of their developers or whoever he was on my blog recently, after they pulled another stunt (saying they were insuring freelancers, when they&#039;re really turning them into W-2 employees). http://allfreelancewriting.com/2009/12/16/freelance-writing-jobs/writers-markets/just-one-more-reason-to-hate-odesk/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m another one who generally won&#039;t take calls, and absolutely will not do business over IM services. Most serious clients get it -- they wouldn&#039;t want you answering calls when you&#039;re working on their writing, so they don&#039;t mind dropping you an email. I have a few end clients (through middle men clients) who always want a quick chat. I try to oblige, but only when I can squeeze it in and if it fits into my work schedule (which isn&#039;t a typical 9-5). There&#039;s never really a need for it. Everything they want to &#034;chat&#034; about could be handled much quicker via email. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was discussing the whole employer / client issue with a colleague not too long ago, and another issue that comes up is sub-contracting. It&#039;s important to note that you&#039;re always allowed to sub-contract your work unless you sign a contract agreeing to do everything personally. Even though I don&#039;t sub-contract, I&#039;d never sign a contract refusing me the right to do so. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think a part of the problem is that a lot of people out there forget that freelancers are business owners -- not just some John / Jane Doe sitting around to fulfill their every need on a whim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. Don&#39;t get me started on the big brother issue. Odesk is the primary culprit. I had it out with one of their developers or whoever he was on my blog recently, after they pulled another stunt (saying they were insuring freelancers, when they&#39;re really turning them into W-2 employees). <a href="http://allfreelancewriting.com/2009/12/16/freelance-writing-jobs/writers-markets/just-one-more-reason-to-hate-odesk/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://allfreelancewriting.com/2009/12/16/freelance-writing-jobs/writers-markets/just-one-more-reason-to-hate-odesk/</a></p>
<p>I&#39;m another one who generally won&#39;t take calls, and absolutely will not do business over IM services. Most serious clients get it &#8212; they wouldn&#39;t want you answering calls when you&#39;re working on their writing, so they don&#39;t mind dropping you an email. I have a few end clients (through middle men clients) who always want a quick chat. I try to oblige, but only when I can squeeze it in and if it fits into my work schedule (which isn&#39;t a typical 9-5). There&#39;s never really a need for it. Everything they want to &quot;chat&quot; about could be handled much quicker via email. </p>
<p>I was discussing the whole employer / client issue with a colleague not too long ago, and another issue that comes up is sub-contracting. It&#39;s important to note that you&#39;re always allowed to sub-contract your work unless you sign a contract agreeing to do everything personally. Even though I don&#39;t sub-contract, I&#39;d never sign a contract refusing me the right to do so. </p>
<p>I think a part of the problem is that a lot of people out there forget that freelancers are business owners &#8212; not just some John / Jane Doe sitting around to fulfill their every need on a whim.</p>
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		By: Michele		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Lori! Good seeing you, too. I&#039;ve been SUCH a &#034;bad&#034; blog reader/commenter. LOL Sorry about that. I&#039;m not commenting much these days - although I still read as much as I can (silently). ;-)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, the raw juice world is fantabulous! I am blessed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hugs,&lt;br /&gt;Michele]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Lori! Good seeing you, too. I&#39;ve been SUCH a &quot;bad&quot; blog reader/commenter. LOL Sorry about that. I&#39;m not commenting much these days &#8211; although I still read as much as I can (silently). 😉</p>
<p>Yes, the raw juice world is fantabulous! I am blessed.</p>
<p>Hugs,<br />Michele</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, the magazine I write for that doesn&#039;t want their writers writing for the competition isn&#039;t one that I send ideas to, so I&#039;m not losing potential sales of my brilliant ideas. LOL. My editors farm out assignments based on their ideas and the publication&#039;s needs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, the magazine I write for that doesn&#39;t want their writers writing for the competition isn&#39;t one that I send ideas to, so I&#39;m not losing potential sales of my brilliant ideas. LOL. My editors farm out assignments based on their ideas and the publication&#39;s needs.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good seeing you, Michele. I miss our interactions. Hope all is well in raw juices! :))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good seeing you, Michele. I miss our interactions. Hope all is well in raw juices! :))</p>
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		By: Michele		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was always creeped out by the thought of someone watching me. That&#039;s just too much for me. And I&#039;d stress to the max if I had to be available via IM all the time - I don&#039;t even like IM! LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for writing about this, Lori. I hope everyone takes your advice. :-D&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hugs,&lt;br /&gt;Michele]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always creeped out by the thought of someone watching me. That&#39;s just too much for me. And I&#39;d stress to the max if I had to be available via IM all the time &#8211; I don&#39;t even like IM! LOL</p>
<p>Thanks for writing about this, Lori. I hope everyone takes your advice. 😀</p>
<p>Hugs,<br />Michele</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon, like you, I won&#039;t get into Skype or IM. That&#039;s entirely too much instant connectivity for me. IT&#039;s bad enough living in a society that expects instant communication. I don&#039;t want upset clients because I decided to run to the bank at lunch and couldn&#039;t answer for an hour. From my experience, there is no real writing emergency. Nothing is that pressing that it can&#039;t wait until I&#039;m out of the bathroom, you know?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wendy, agreed. I have Project Timer to track any hourly stuff. Otherwise, if it&#039;s a per-project fee, my time is my business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, I&#039;ve seen magazines do that same thing. Frankly, it&#039;s nonsense. If you don&#039;t want freelancers working for the competition, then come up with an agreement that guarantees them specific amounts of work to compensate for it. I know freelancers who have written for competing magazines using pen names. If the first magazine has turned down the idea, then there&#039;s no reason why a writer can&#039;t sell it elsewhere, INCLUDING the competition. If they want us to be loyal to them, either make us employees or make us a decent offer of ongoing work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lynette, good question. :) I think some do get it, but they&#039;d prefer to push the boundaries. Fine, but I&#039;d prefer to push back. ;))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same here, Katharine. I&#039;ve had clients call at 7:30, 8:30 on a Friday night. My brain&#039;s turned off at that time, as is my computer. :) One former client called me at 8:30 Saturday morning. Worse, he left a whining, accusatory message that was 4 minutes long on my machine. A) Thanks for waking up the entire house on a Saturday, B) don&#039;t think I didn&#039;t see that your whining was an attempt to get another free edit out of me thanks to your indecision, and C) don&#039;t expect a return call until I&#039;m able to call. I&#039;m available during business hours for everyone. I&#039;m not available at odd hours on weekends when the rest of the world is sleeping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, like you, I won&#39;t get into Skype or IM. That&#39;s entirely too much instant connectivity for me. IT&#39;s bad enough living in a society that expects instant communication. I don&#39;t want upset clients because I decided to run to the bank at lunch and couldn&#39;t answer for an hour. From my experience, there is no real writing emergency. Nothing is that pressing that it can&#39;t wait until I&#39;m out of the bathroom, you know?</p>
<p>Wendy, agreed. I have Project Timer to track any hourly stuff. Otherwise, if it&#39;s a per-project fee, my time is my business.</p>
<p>Paula, I&#39;ve seen magazines do that same thing. Frankly, it&#39;s nonsense. If you don&#39;t want freelancers working for the competition, then come up with an agreement that guarantees them specific amounts of work to compensate for it. I know freelancers who have written for competing magazines using pen names. If the first magazine has turned down the idea, then there&#39;s no reason why a writer can&#39;t sell it elsewhere, INCLUDING the competition. If they want us to be loyal to them, either make us employees or make us a decent offer of ongoing work.</p>
<p>Lynette, good question. 🙂 I think some do get it, but they&#39;d prefer to push the boundaries. Fine, but I&#39;d prefer to push back. ;))</p>
<p>Same here, Katharine. I&#39;ve had clients call at 7:30, 8:30 on a Friday night. My brain&#39;s turned off at that time, as is my computer. 🙂 One former client called me at 8:30 Saturday morning. Worse, he left a whining, accusatory message that was 4 minutes long on my machine. A) Thanks for waking up the entire house on a Saturday, B) don&#39;t think I didn&#39;t see that your whining was an attempt to get another free edit out of me thanks to your indecision, and C) don&#39;t expect a return call until I&#39;m able to call. I&#39;m available during business hours for everyone. I&#39;m not available at odd hours on weekends when the rest of the world is sleeping.</p>
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		By: Katharine Swan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katharine Swan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A timely post, as I just spotted a job post last night that expected way too much availability -- you had to be available during the daytime, and you had to have a landline -- presumably so that they could make sure you were home and working, because why else would it matter?  Needless to say, I moved on -- once I got done laughing at said job post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the not-so-funny reality is that I did have a client once who behaved like that.  He started out very laid back, and then started making crazy requests, like that I talk to him on the phone on a Saturday about a project (even if I work on the weekends sometimes, I &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; want to be taking client phone calls), and then finally that I stay logged in to AIM &lt;i&gt;whenever I was on the computer&lt;/i&gt; so that he could check to see if I was on, and then get a hold of me right away.  Needless to say, I finished the project and then refused any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A timely post, as I just spotted a job post last night that expected way too much availability &#8212; you had to be available during the daytime, and you had to have a landline &#8212; presumably so that they could make sure you were home and working, because why else would it matter?  Needless to say, I moved on &#8212; once I got done laughing at said job post.</p>
<p>But the not-so-funny reality is that I did have a client once who behaved like that.  He started out very laid back, and then started making crazy requests, like that I talk to him on the phone on a Saturday about a project (even if I work on the weekends sometimes, I <i>don&#39;t</i> want to be taking client phone calls), and then finally that I stay logged in to AIM <i>whenever I was on the computer</i> so that he could check to see if I was on, and then get a hold of me right away.  Needless to say, I finished the project and then refused any more.</p>
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		By: Lynnette Labelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynnette Labelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting to read about some potential problems.  Sheesh.  Why don&#039;t they just &#034;get it&#034;?  LOL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lynnette Labelle&lt;br /&gt;http://lynnettelabelle.blogspot.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to read about some potential problems.  Sheesh.  Why don&#39;t they just &quot;get it&quot;?  LOL</p>
<p>Lynnette Labelle<br /><a href="http://lynnettelabelle.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lynnettelabelle.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great points, Wendy. I know I tend to do a lot of mental outlining well before I set finger to keyboard. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The irony is how much total dedication some clients expect of freelance employees, yet their full-time staff probably spends several billable hours per week (per person) chatting at the water cooler,  taking personal calls, checking e-mail, or like one of my friends, IM-ing friends. (Seriously, I&#039;ve had to tell her I can&#039;t &#034;chat&#034; because I have to finish my work before I get paid. And her salary is more than three times what I earn - not counting her benefits.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I started writing for one of my regular markets several years ago, I was told that if I were to nab an assignment from their top competitor I shouldn&#039;t expect more work from them. Yet I&#039;ve seen editors bounce back and forth between the two publications a few times. Go figure. (I never really wanted to write for their competitor after it went through a bit of a scandal several years ago that tarnished its reputation quite a bit.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Wendy. I know I tend to do a lot of mental outlining well before I set finger to keyboard. </p>
<p>The irony is how much total dedication some clients expect of freelance employees, yet their full-time staff probably spends several billable hours per week (per person) chatting at the water cooler,  taking personal calls, checking e-mail, or like one of my friends, IM-ing friends. (Seriously, I&#39;ve had to tell her I can&#39;t &quot;chat&quot; because I have to finish my work before I get paid. And her salary is more than three times what I earn &#8211; not counting her benefits.)</p>
<p>When I started writing for one of my regular markets several years ago, I was told that if I were to nab an assignment from their top competitor I shouldn&#39;t expect more work from them. Yet I&#39;ve seen editors bounce back and forth between the two publications a few times. Go figure. (I never really wanted to write for their competitor after it went through a bit of a scandal several years ago that tarnished its reputation quite a bit.)</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The big brother concept just irks me. I don&#039;t understand how a client could possibly get an accurate picture of what you&#039;re doing. I spend time jotting notes with paper and pencil and sometimes I go through ideas as I&#039;m off doing something else (like a load of laundry)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alot of my time is done using my brain to work out thoughts; they can&#039;t track that.Lord, if I were to allow them to track me like that, I would probably only get paid for the actual time typing the words, which isn&#039;t much compared to the time thinking the project through. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want  quality work, don&#039;t look over my shoulder. That would prove to be a major distraction for me and I wouldn&#039;t be able to do it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big brother concept just irks me. I don&#39;t understand how a client could possibly get an accurate picture of what you&#39;re doing. I spend time jotting notes with paper and pencil and sometimes I go through ideas as I&#39;m off doing something else (like a load of laundry)</p>
<p>Alot of my time is done using my brain to work out thoughts; they can&#39;t track that.Lord, if I were to allow them to track me like that, I would probably only get paid for the actual time typing the words, which isn&#39;t much compared to the time thinking the project through. </p>
<p>If you want  quality work, don&#39;t look over my shoulder. That would prove to be a major distraction for me and I wouldn&#39;t be able to do it.</p>
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