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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you handled it beautifully, Paula! $50 for a blog post is what I would consider decent. And I think you&#039;re right - there&#039;d be too much time involved in the others to justify the low pay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kimberly, it&#039;s ironic that I, a total math klutz, would be advocating calculations. ;)) But it&#039;s helped me stay on track, which has helped me increase my revenue over the years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you handled it beautifully, Paula! $50 for a blog post is what I would consider decent. And I think you&#39;re right &#8211; there&#39;d be too much time involved in the others to justify the low pay.</p>
<p>Kimberly, it&#39;s ironic that I, a total math klutz, would be advocating calculations. ;)) But it&#39;s helped me stay on track, which has helped me increase my revenue over the years.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Lori, I spoke with the editor and checked their site. They seem to have flat rates for various types of posts - news items, popular topics, interviews/features. The short news items are $50 per post, but are often under 200 words, with no interviews. The popular topics pay $75 and length varies a lot. The interviews/short features only pay $100. Sadly, those are the things I&#039;d enjoy most. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I was upfront and said while I do celebrity interviews all the time, the work involved - scheduling the call, doing the interview, transcribing the interview, and then writing the article - would take far more work than $100 will cover.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I said if I have time, I would be open to some shorter things, and she mentioned that it sounded as if  the rates might be an issue for me....so perhaps there is some wriggle room??? I don&#039;t know. We&#039;ll see. It could be some nice fill-in work - but as I told her, my higher-paying jobs will have to remain my priority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We&#039;ll see what, if anything, happens. If it&#039;s meant to be, we&#039;ll work something out. Otherwise, it wasn&#039;t meant to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Lori, I spoke with the editor and checked their site. They seem to have flat rates for various types of posts &#8211; news items, popular topics, interviews/features. The short news items are $50 per post, but are often under 200 words, with no interviews. The popular topics pay $75 and length varies a lot. The interviews/short features only pay $100. Sadly, those are the things I&#39;d enjoy most. </p>
<p>So I was upfront and said while I do celebrity interviews all the time, the work involved &#8211; scheduling the call, doing the interview, transcribing the interview, and then writing the article &#8211; would take far more work than $100 will cover.</p>
<p>I said if I have time, I would be open to some shorter things, and she mentioned that it sounded as if  the rates might be an issue for me&#8230;.so perhaps there is some wriggle room??? I don&#39;t know. We&#39;ll see. It could be some nice fill-in work &#8211; but as I told her, my higher-paying jobs will have to remain my priority.</p>
<p>We&#39;ll see what, if anything, happens. If it&#39;s meant to be, we&#39;ll work something out. Otherwise, it wasn&#39;t meant to be.</p>
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		By: Kimberly Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome article, Lori. This is a goldmine of knowledge for anyone just starting out. I&#039;ve only been at this for two years, and I&#039;ll admit it - I&#039;ve lowered my rates out of fear, but honestly it would turn into a much bigger headache than anticipated. I felt as though I was working my tail off and LOSING money! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you know the worth of a project and charge clients accordingly, they really do respect what you do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article, Lori. This is a goldmine of knowledge for anyone just starting out. I&#39;ve only been at this for two years, and I&#39;ll admit it &#8211; I&#39;ve lowered my rates out of fear, but honestly it would turn into a much bigger headache than anticipated. I felt as though I was working my tail off and LOSING money! </p>
<p>When you know the worth of a project and charge clients accordingly, they really do respect what you do.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon, absolutely true. Nonprofit work for a respectable charity of your choice is a great way to earn experience in an area while giving back. Why &#034;give back&#034; to someone who&#039;s given you nothing except low-ball offers? And I&#039;m still waiting for royalties. That means I have to finish this fiction, which is my top priority. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eileen, it&#039;s true. The value of the job HAS to be considered or you&#039;re going to under-bid and look like an amateur. Obviously this isn&#039;t going to apply to content mills because the low-ball bid is money in their pockets, but in business writing, you have to compete with other professional writers and you&#039;d better be close to the average bid rate. Unfortunately, there are people under-bidding in an attempt to win the job. I stick with my pre-recession quote. I can easily justify why I quote higher because dammit, I don&#039;t discount out of fear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, I know. Ten cents a word - who&#039;d have thought it was ever acceptable? But if you&#039;re starting out, you have to start somewhere. I&#039;d rather writers went for a lower-paying magazine job than an ongoing gig that locks you into the mindset of quantity over quality. More on that tomorrow...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For blogs, the price right now seems all over the map, but I&#039;d quote a per-post rate and stick to it. If they want you, they&#039;ll pay it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wendy, I couldn&#039;t have said it better. Exactly the point. Pro-bono work for charities. Actual decent pay from everyone else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, absolutely true. Nonprofit work for a respectable charity of your choice is a great way to earn experience in an area while giving back. Why &quot;give back&quot; to someone who&#39;s given you nothing except low-ball offers? And I&#39;m still waiting for royalties. That means I have to finish this fiction, which is my top priority. 🙂</p>
<p>Eileen, it&#39;s true. The value of the job HAS to be considered or you&#39;re going to under-bid and look like an amateur. Obviously this isn&#39;t going to apply to content mills because the low-ball bid is money in their pockets, but in business writing, you have to compete with other professional writers and you&#39;d better be close to the average bid rate. Unfortunately, there are people under-bidding in an attempt to win the job. I stick with my pre-recession quote. I can easily justify why I quote higher because dammit, I don&#39;t discount out of fear.</p>
<p>Paula, I know. Ten cents a word &#8211; who&#39;d have thought it was ever acceptable? But if you&#39;re starting out, you have to start somewhere. I&#39;d rather writers went for a lower-paying magazine job than an ongoing gig that locks you into the mindset of quantity over quality. More on that tomorrow&#8230;</p>
<p>For blogs, the price right now seems all over the map, but I&#39;d quote a per-post rate and stick to it. If they want you, they&#39;ll pay it.</p>
<p>Wendy, I couldn&#39;t have said it better. Exactly the point. Pro-bono work for charities. Actual decent pay from everyone else.</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How low I would go would definitely depend on a lot of factors. If I wanted to get into writing fundraising copy with no experience, but I thought I had enough skills to do it; I would certainly go for pro bono work as Devon mentioned. There would be some value there by gaining some experience, a testimonial and maybe even a long-term job. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I was asked to write a couple of articles in the financial field where I didn&#039;t have experience and don&#039;t have enough skills to do a good job, then it would be a whole different story. For me, there would be no value in going too low. It would take me twice as long to write something like that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thought of writing 2-3 articles an hour for a 40 hour week, makes me gag. There&#039;s no way I could do it. Actually, I could, but 99% of them would be pure crap. Imagine using those as clips for a higher paying client.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How low I would go would definitely depend on a lot of factors. If I wanted to get into writing fundraising copy with no experience, but I thought I had enough skills to do it; I would certainly go for pro bono work as Devon mentioned. There would be some value there by gaining some experience, a testimonial and maybe even a long-term job. </p>
<p>If I was asked to write a couple of articles in the financial field where I didn&#39;t have experience and don&#39;t have enough skills to do a good job, then it would be a whole different story. For me, there would be no value in going too low. It would take me twice as long to write something like that. </p>
<p>The thought of writing 2-3 articles an hour for a 40 hour week, makes me gag. There&#39;s no way I could do it. Actually, I could, but 99% of them would be pure crap. Imagine using those as clips for a higher paying client.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Leave it to content mills to make a paltry 10-cents a word look like big bucks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good timing on this post Lori. This morning I heard back from the place I mentioned in the assessments thread - the job ad that seemed ideal for me. Their senior editor sent me an e-mail outlining the types of things they need, and some seemingly low prices. But I say &#034;seemingly&#034; since she didn&#039;t mention word counts. These are blog posts for a major portal (and by major I mean household name). If they want 200 word posts, the pay is adequate. If they want 500+ words, it&#039;s squat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before I checked your blog this morning, I knew I needed to have a rock bottom number in mind before I contact the editor, and was already pondering most of the things you mentioned. Frequency of work will come into play for me, as well. I can&#039;t let low-to-adequate rates interfere with my ability to work for my regular clients. But these could be nice filler work for those occasional lulls (like a temporary one I&#039;m in now while waiting for one of my regular editors to assign for the February issue). Yes, having a few hundred extra dollars a month sounds nice, but I need to figure the real cost of that before I make a decision.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to content mills to make a paltry 10-cents a word look like big bucks.</p>
<p>Good timing on this post Lori. This morning I heard back from the place I mentioned in the assessments thread &#8211; the job ad that seemed ideal for me. Their senior editor sent me an e-mail outlining the types of things they need, and some seemingly low prices. But I say &quot;seemingly&quot; since she didn&#39;t mention word counts. These are blog posts for a major portal (and by major I mean household name). If they want 200 word posts, the pay is adequate. If they want 500+ words, it&#39;s squat.</p>
<p>Before I checked your blog this morning, I knew I needed to have a rock bottom number in mind before I contact the editor, and was already pondering most of the things you mentioned. Frequency of work will come into play for me, as well. I can&#39;t let low-to-adequate rates interfere with my ability to work for my regular clients. But these could be nice filler work for those occasional lulls (like a temporary one I&#39;m in now while waiting for one of my regular editors to assign for the February issue). Yes, having a few hundred extra dollars a month sounds nice, but I need to figure the real cost of that before I make a decision.</p>
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		By: Eileen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lori, these six words are gold. All of us would do well to engrave these on the inside of our eyelids:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bid the value of the job &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This will protect you from wasting your time, because anyone with half a brain should recognize that a 500 word article is worth more than $2  But even more importantly, as you progress in your career, it will keep you from leaving money on the table - assuming, of course, that you operate your business on the premise that you will only work with clients who value what a good writer brings to the table.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, these six words are gold. All of us would do well to engrave these on the inside of our eyelids:</p>
<p><i>Bid the value of the job </i></p>
<p>This will protect you from wasting your time, because anyone with half a brain should recognize that a 500 word article is worth more than $2  But even more importantly, as you progress in your career, it will keep you from leaving money on the table &#8211; assuming, of course, that you operate your business on the premise that you will only work with clients who value what a good writer brings to the table.</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My figurings wind up being more complicated, because of royalties.  And royalties are a whole other schedule on the IRS form (but then again, they&#039;re very helpful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s impossible to factor in the fiction royalties, because you can&#039;t estimate how many books you&#039;ll sell.  You just work your butt off marketing and hope people are buying AND hope your publisher is being honest with you on the royalty statements.  When you&#039;re getting lots of fan mail and the royalty statements don&#039;t reflect it -- start asking questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just got my first royalty check from a non-fiction anthology that earned out its advance after three years.  That was nice and totally unexpected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The plays are easier to factor in because I know how much i get paid per performance, and, since at this point, the companies that commission me book limited runs and then put it into repertory, I can figure out how much comes in during the course of a run.  And anything on top of that is gravy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I  still say, if you&#039;re starting out and want legitimate clips that will land you the well-paid work, pick a nonprofit about which you&#039;re passionate and take them on, for a limited amount of time, as a pro bono client.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Few companies will hire someone who&#039;s worked for free (once you set up the free or cheap tag, that&#039;s it), but you can move into a paid position at another nonprofit and/or use the clips to vault yourself into well-paying, more commercial work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally prefer to work for nonprofits -- I find the work more interesting.  Even though the hourly is less than I get for corporate work, it&#039;s still well within my rate range (and far, far, FAR above content mills) and I find the work more interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also learned more working in the development departments of a couple of museums that I was apply to other jobs moving forward than I learned anywhere else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My figurings wind up being more complicated, because of royalties.  And royalties are a whole other schedule on the IRS form (but then again, they&#39;re very helpful.</p>
<p>It&#39;s impossible to factor in the fiction royalties, because you can&#39;t estimate how many books you&#39;ll sell.  You just work your butt off marketing and hope people are buying AND hope your publisher is being honest with you on the royalty statements.  When you&#39;re getting lots of fan mail and the royalty statements don&#39;t reflect it &#8212; start asking questions.</p>
<p>I just got my first royalty check from a non-fiction anthology that earned out its advance after three years.  That was nice and totally unexpected.</p>
<p>The plays are easier to factor in because I know how much i get paid per performance, and, since at this point, the companies that commission me book limited runs and then put it into repertory, I can figure out how much comes in during the course of a run.  And anything on top of that is gravy.</p>
<p>I  still say, if you&#39;re starting out and want legitimate clips that will land you the well-paid work, pick a nonprofit about which you&#39;re passionate and take them on, for a limited amount of time, as a pro bono client.</p>
<p>Few companies will hire someone who&#39;s worked for free (once you set up the free or cheap tag, that&#39;s it), but you can move into a paid position at another nonprofit and/or use the clips to vault yourself into well-paying, more commercial work.</p>
<p>I personally prefer to work for nonprofits &#8212; I find the work more interesting.  Even though the hourly is less than I get for corporate work, it&#39;s still well within my rate range (and far, far, FAR above content mills) and I find the work more interesting.</p>
<p>I also learned more working in the development departments of a couple of museums that I was apply to other jobs moving forward than I learned anywhere else.</p>
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