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		By: Aaron		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good article.  I can understand the desperation of up and coming freelancers, but there must be a limit.  Maybe this flood of overly cheap freelance copywriters has devalued the trade of copywriting in some people&#039;s aspects.  I saw a job advertisement for an in-house copywriter in Australia, from a well established and apparently successful web design company.  They were offering $20 per hour for an experienced local copywriter, with a portfolio.  It was a casual position (i.e no guarantee of any hours, let alone full-time, no sick pay and no contract).  In this area, $20 per hour is pretty much the going rate for almost any type of unskilled casual work.  The most worrying thing is that this web company appears to have filled the position and judging by their portfolio, have on board a relatively competent copywriter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I can understand the desperation of up and coming freelancers, but there must be a limit.  Maybe this flood of overly cheap freelance copywriters has devalued the trade of copywriting in some people&#39;s aspects.  I saw a job advertisement for an in-house copywriter in Australia, from a well established and apparently successful web design company.  They were offering $20 per hour for an experienced local copywriter, with a portfolio.  It was a casual position (i.e no guarantee of any hours, let alone full-time, no sick pay and no contract).  In this area, $20 per hour is pretty much the going rate for almost any type of unskilled casual work.  The most worrying thing is that this web company appears to have filled the position and judging by their portfolio, have on board a relatively competent copywriter.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, the economy may play a small role in it, but I think the culprit is the idea that anyone can make residual income from a &#034;marketing&#034; website. These fools put up how-tos on the Internet - put up a site, fill it with ads, find someone to write cheaply, and make money, money, MONEY! And we are the targets of these wanna-be millionaires. These are people often untested in business. They put up insulting offers at the instruction of the latest snake-oil salesperson, and don&#039;t know enough to behave like humans when the writers take offense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s my view of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the economy may play a small role in it, but I think the culprit is the idea that anyone can make residual income from a &quot;marketing&quot; website. These fools put up how-tos on the Internet &#8211; put up a site, fill it with ads, find someone to write cheaply, and make money, money, MONEY! And we are the targets of these wanna-be millionaires. These are people often untested in business. They put up insulting offers at the instruction of the latest snake-oil salesperson, and don&#39;t know enough to behave like humans when the writers take offense.</p>
<p>That&#39;s my view of it.</p>
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		By: devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the economy.  You look at the corporate execs who use &#034;the economy&#034; as a demand for &#034;flexible wage negotiations&#034; -- which means union-busting, cutting worker salaries to nothing while execs walk away with millions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&#039;t fall for it.  Stick to your rates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with Wendy -- the desperate tend to fall for these low paying joss.  To a point, I&#039;m sympathetic.  But when you refuse to break a cycle of abuse -- and these low wages are a form of abuse -- there&#039;s nothing anyone else can do to help you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The writer has to make the choice to stop going for these crap jobs and move on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the economy.  You look at the corporate execs who use &quot;the economy&quot; as a demand for &quot;flexible wage negotiations&quot; &#8212; which means union-busting, cutting worker salaries to nothing while execs walk away with millions.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t fall for it.  Stick to your rates.</p>
<p>I agree with Wendy &#8212; the desperate tend to fall for these low paying joss.  To a point, I&#39;m sympathetic.  But when you refuse to break a cycle of abuse &#8212; and these low wages are a form of abuse &#8212; there&#39;s nothing anyone else can do to help you.</p>
<p>The writer has to make the choice to stop going for these crap jobs and move on.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oooooops. My bad. Kathy&#039;s latest post was on a SEO article. I was remembering the post that referenced press release writing. Either way, they get the blood boiling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooooops. My bad. Kathy&#39;s latest post was on a SEO article. I was remembering the post that referenced press release writing. Either way, they get the blood boiling.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! Great discussion, everyone. Eileen, you make so many terrific points I can&#039;t even begin to address them all. Let&#039;s just say AMEN for Eileen. You&#039;re right and I&#039;m now following you everywhere. :))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Amie, I know why it bugged me more - it included a new area, press releases. It&#039;s bad enough when people write &#034;articles&#034; for nothing, but they&#039;re spreading out into new areas and insulting an entirely new crowd of writers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paula, what a find! And I love that you compared your yard sale earnings to SEO article pay. Hysterical!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KEB, welcome to the blog. :) I think the sector idea is an interesting one. The trouble is that there is no sector I&#039;m familiar with that isn&#039;t going to require actual work - but they do lure us with that &#034;More work to come!&#034; line. It never does, does it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wendy, can I just use you as a PSA for writer&#039;s worth? :)) Excellent input - exactly what new writers need to hear. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Devon, that aggravation fee has been a godsend for me over the years. As you know, I&#039;ve put that into use many, many times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kathy, I&#039;ve noticed that, too. I suspect the predators are out now that they smell desperation. I&#039;m sorry - I don&#039;t care how damn desperate I become. These are not &#034;jobs.&#034; They&#039;re organized exploitations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Great discussion, everyone. Eileen, you make so many terrific points I can&#39;t even begin to address them all. Let&#39;s just say AMEN for Eileen. You&#39;re right and I&#39;m now following you everywhere. :))</p>
<p>Amie, I know why it bugged me more &#8211; it included a new area, press releases. It&#39;s bad enough when people write &quot;articles&quot; for nothing, but they&#39;re spreading out into new areas and insulting an entirely new crowd of writers.</p>
<p>Paula, what a find! And I love that you compared your yard sale earnings to SEO article pay. Hysterical!</p>
<p>KEB, welcome to the blog. 🙂 I think the sector idea is an interesting one. The trouble is that there is no sector I&#39;m familiar with that isn&#39;t going to require actual work &#8211; but they do lure us with that &quot;More work to come!&quot; line. It never does, does it?</p>
<p>Wendy, can I just use you as a PSA for writer&#39;s worth? :)) Excellent input &#8211; exactly what new writers need to hear. </p>
<p>Devon, that aggravation fee has been a godsend for me over the years. As you know, I&#39;ve put that into use many, many times.</p>
<p>Kathy, I&#39;ve noticed that, too. I suspect the predators are out now that they smell desperation. I&#39;m sorry &#8211; I don&#39;t care how damn desperate I become. These are not &quot;jobs.&quot; They&#39;re organized exploitations.</p>
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		By: Amie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I commented on Kathy&#039;s post the other day, but it didn&#039;t &#034;stick&#034; for some reason.  All of the requests she finds to blog about make me mad, but this one in particular got my feathers in a ruffle.  Not sure why.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My bottom line is whatever doesn&#039;t make me sick to my stomach when I agree to it . . . fortunately, I rarely get anywhere near that line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented on Kathy&#39;s post the other day, but it didn&#39;t &quot;stick&quot; for some reason.  All of the requests she finds to blog about make me mad, but this one in particular got my feathers in a ruffle.  Not sure why.</p>
<p>My bottom line is whatever doesn&#39;t make me sick to my stomach when I agree to it . . . fortunately, I rarely get anywhere near that line.</p>
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		By: Paula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eileen&#039;s comment about the get rich quick schemes reminded me of something. A few years back, before I ever heard of SEO content, I&#039;d seen an ad for &#034;article writers&#034; at a reputable writer&#039;s site. I e-mailed in a quick reply, just in case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I get a couple of enthusiastic e-mails back, and this woman asks if I had time to speak with her on the phone that weekend. Why not? Her e-mails had said they were starting a website about food and kitchen things, cooking gadgets, etc...and I love those things. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the call. She says how she and her husband went to this seminar on starting your own business - running articles about niche topics, and generating click through affiliate marketing revenue. Well, d&#039;uh. No wonder I never heard back from them after quoting my prices! They weren&#039;t looking for article writers, they were looking for content generators.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so if I have more typos than normal, blame it on over-exhaustion. I&#039;ve been helping an older neighbor with a garage sale. Day one I made $10.75. Today, day two: $0. By SEO standards I&#039;m well paid - we just didn&#039;t have enough views today to generate any income. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(On the upside, I discovered the neighbor had a gorgeous 1923 Rookwood vase that&#039;s been stored in a cupboard for, oh say, the past 86 years. She was going to slap a $5 price-tag on it. If she&#039;s able to find a dealer willing to offer a fair price, she said I get half. Finding and recognizing that vase took about 10 seconds. That&#039;s a decent payoff - if she can sell it for even near what it&#039;s probably worth.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen&#39;s comment about the get rich quick schemes reminded me of something. A few years back, before I ever heard of SEO content, I&#39;d seen an ad for &quot;article writers&quot; at a reputable writer&#39;s site. I e-mailed in a quick reply, just in case.</p>
<p>I get a couple of enthusiastic e-mails back, and this woman asks if I had time to speak with her on the phone that weekend. Why not? Her e-mails had said they were starting a website about food and kitchen things, cooking gadgets, etc&#8230;and I love those things. </p>
<p>Then the call. She says how she and her husband went to this seminar on starting your own business &#8211; running articles about niche topics, and generating click through affiliate marketing revenue. Well, d&#39;uh. No wonder I never heard back from them after quoting my prices! They weren&#39;t looking for article writers, they were looking for content generators.</p>
<p>Okay, so if I have more typos than normal, blame it on over-exhaustion. I&#39;ve been helping an older neighbor with a garage sale. Day one I made $10.75. Today, day two: $0. By SEO standards I&#39;m well paid &#8211; we just didn&#39;t have enough views today to generate any income. </p>
<p>(On the upside, I discovered the neighbor had a gorgeous 1923 Rookwood vase that&#39;s been stored in a cupboard for, oh say, the past 86 years. She was going to slap a $5 price-tag on it. If she&#39;s able to find a dealer willing to offer a fair price, she said I get half. Finding and recognizing that vase took about 10 seconds. That&#39;s a decent payoff &#8211; if she can sell it for even near what it&#39;s probably worth.)</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eileen, you are so right. These marketers are looking to pinch every penny they can,so they dangle their $5 an article jobs, like a piece of meat, to those who are desperate to find work. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&#034;You want to stay at home with your children, don&#039;t you? We&#039;ll pay you chump change to write for us and you can fulfill that dream.&#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen, you are so right. These marketers are looking to pinch every penny they can,so they dangle their $5 an article jobs, like a piece of meat, to those who are desperate to find work. </p>
<p>&quot;You want to stay at home with your children, don&#39;t you? We&#39;ll pay you chump change to write for us and you can fulfill that dream.&quot;</p>
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		By: Eileen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eileen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the number one thing that bugs me about these lowballers: integrity. You want people to value you and value the product or service you are promoting with your $5 articles ... and if you&#039;re an internet marketer, you&#039;re telling other people how much money they can make if they buy your product/service ... but it&#039;s perfectly okay to make profits by exploiting others? You think somehow you are exempt from paying a fair wage? Hyp-o-crit!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s the number one thing that bugs me about these lowballers: integrity. You want people to value you and value the product or service you are promoting with your $5 articles &#8230; and if you&#39;re an internet marketer, you&#39;re telling other people how much money they can make if they buy your product/service &#8230; but it&#39;s perfectly okay to make profits by exploiting others? You think somehow you are exempt from paying a fair wage? Hyp-o-crit!</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I notice a lot of times the people who defend these low-balling jobs are the ones who have the desperate lives that seem to come out of a soap opera. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They say they have a ton of bills to pay, they can only afford one car, so only one person can work outside of the home and daycare costs are so high, they can&#039;t make ends meet. The person has to stay home with the younger children. Plus, medical bills are driving them to bankruptcy. So, they have no other choice than to take the $5 an article jobs. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can certainly understand financial hardships, because I was there as far as needing to take a job- any job, but I soon realized that it ended up costing me more than my bills etc. were doing in the first place. Not just money-wise, but also experience-wise as well. I couldn&#039;t use those particular jobs as references to the real paying clients. And I learned more about writing for the web by writing for the higher paying clients than the low-ballers. Working for pennies did me absolutely no good whatsoever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice a lot of times the people who defend these low-balling jobs are the ones who have the desperate lives that seem to come out of a soap opera. </p>
<p>They say they have a ton of bills to pay, they can only afford one car, so only one person can work outside of the home and daycare costs are so high, they can&#39;t make ends meet. The person has to stay home with the younger children. Plus, medical bills are driving them to bankruptcy. So, they have no other choice than to take the $5 an article jobs. </p>
<p>I can certainly understand financial hardships, because I was there as far as needing to take a job- any job, but I soon realized that it ended up costing me more than my bills etc. were doing in the first place. Not just money-wise, but also experience-wise as well. I couldn&#39;t use those particular jobs as references to the real paying clients. And I learned more about writing for the web by writing for the higher paying clients than the low-ballers. Working for pennies did me absolutely no good whatsoever.</p>
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