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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sheri, didn&#039;t mean to overlook your comments! For local work, yes, the area sometimes does dictate your rate. However, most of us can work nationally (and do), and there&#039;s where the majority of work comes from and where the rates can be more easily accepted and absorbed. Do I think you should stop marketing in your area? No. Your cost of living is probably lower as a result and you could probably justify doing the work at a lower rate for that reason. Me, I live in Expensive City, so I have to charge higher to pay the bills. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheri, didn&#8217;t mean to overlook your comments! For local work, yes, the area sometimes does dictate your rate. However, most of us can work nationally (and do), and there&#8217;s where the majority of work comes from and where the rates can be more easily accepted and absorbed. Do I think you should stop marketing in your area? No. Your cost of living is probably lower as a result and you could probably justify doing the work at a lower rate for that reason. Me, I live in Expensive City, so I have to charge higher to pay the bills. 🙂</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gabriella, you&#039;re so right. Joseph&#039;s comments were exactly what we needed to hear - DON&#039;T PANIC. Set a rate, stick by it, and negotiate only if you think it&#039;s in YOUR best interest to do so.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Kimberly, you&#039;re not crazy. :) You&#039;re showing your clients a lack of fear of the market and a confidence in your work and your worth. I think it will be received positively.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Gabriella, I&#039;m in agreement with you. When a long-time client lowers rates a bit and they&#039;re a steady source of income, roll with it if you can afford to. And yes, revisit the rates later on. It may be a temporary thing (as most things are right now). Being flexible when they need you to be will leave a good impression.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But again, IF you can afford to be. If the price goes entirely too low, I&#039;d be reconsidering that relationship. It&#039;s okay to compromise when the client hits on hard times, but it&#039;s not okay to take on the majority of their suffering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriella, you&#8217;re so right. Joseph&#8217;s comments were exactly what we needed to hear &#8211; DON&#8217;T PANIC. Set a rate, stick by it, and negotiate only if you think it&#8217;s in YOUR best interest to do so.</p>
<p>Kimberly, you&#8217;re not crazy. 🙂 You&#8217;re showing your clients a lack of fear of the market and a confidence in your work and your worth. I think it will be received positively.</p>
<p>Gabriella, I&#8217;m in agreement with you. When a long-time client lowers rates a bit and they&#8217;re a steady source of income, roll with it if you can afford to. And yes, revisit the rates later on. It may be a temporary thing (as most things are right now). Being flexible when they need you to be will leave a good impression.</p>
<p>But again, IF you can afford to be. If the price goes entirely too low, I&#8217;d be reconsidering that relationship. It&#8217;s okay to compromise when the client hits on hard times, but it&#8217;s not okay to take on the majority of their suffering.</p>
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		By: Kimberly Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This post is kismet. I JUST sent out a message increasing my rates to my clients. The rates weren&#039;t unreasonable, and I had some freelancing friends telling me I was crazy to do so in this economy. The truth is I was undercharging some of my services, and hey - I got to eat too. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Someone in one of my writer groups informed me that when he joined a small advertising agency as a copywriter four years ago, $75 an hour was standard entry-level pay. I charge flat rates, but use that rate as the base of the formula that determines how much to charge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is kismet. I JUST sent out a message increasing my rates to my clients. The rates weren&#8217;t unreasonable, and I had some freelancing friends telling me I was crazy to do so in this economy. The truth is I was undercharging some of my services, and hey &#8211; I got to eat too. </p>
<p>Someone in one of my writer groups informed me that when he joined a small advertising agency as a copywriter four years ago, $75 an hour was standard entry-level pay. I charge flat rates, but use that rate as the base of the formula that determines how much to charge.</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2009/04/here-comes-ran.html#comment-2711</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriella F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I meant, &quot;If people don&#039;t want to pay our rate, let them test the market.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Tired!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant, &#8220;If people don&#8217;t want to pay our rate, let them test the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tired!</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
		<link>https://wordsonpageblog.com/2009/04/here-comes-ran.html#comment-2710</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriella F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a great discussion, everybody. I really appreciate it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have two more points. Don&#039;t overlook Joseph&#039;s understated comment about letting clients stew over our rates. We all have to have the patience not to bid against ourselves.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That $1,600 a month client first wanted me to accept $1,250 per month, and I said it was too low. We parted ways professionally, and the guy came back less than two months later and said the two other writers he&#039;d hired to do the work weren&#039;t worth the lower amount, and did I still want the job at my original price? &quot;Of course,&quot; I said!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The point? We can&#039;t panic when clients try to undercut us. If people don&#039;t want to pay our rate, let test try the market. If they can get what they want for less, great. But often clients realize they can&#039;t, and our patience will be rewarded--as long as we&#039;re professional throughout.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second point. How would we all handle the following situation? I have a freelance friend whose long-time and regular client asked her in January to drop her rate by one-quarter because the client&#039;s budget had been cut.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Dunno, but for a long-term client that provides a monthly staple, I might agree to it with the stipulation that we revisit the rate in six months. That&#039;s where our calls to stand firm get complicated, don&#039;t they?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Anyway, I really appreciate all your comments. It really makes a difference in this tough market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great discussion, everybody. I really appreciate it.</p>
<p>I have two more points. Don&#8217;t overlook Joseph&#8217;s understated comment about letting clients stew over our rates. We all have to have the patience not to bid against ourselves.</p>
<p>That $1,600 a month client first wanted me to accept $1,250 per month, and I said it was too low. We parted ways professionally, and the guy came back less than two months later and said the two other writers he&#8217;d hired to do the work weren&#8217;t worth the lower amount, and did I still want the job at my original price? &#8220;Of course,&#8221; I said!</p>
<p>The point? We can&#8217;t panic when clients try to undercut us. If people don&#8217;t want to pay our rate, let test try the market. If they can get what they want for less, great. But often clients realize they can&#8217;t, and our patience will be rewarded&#8211;as long as we&#8217;re professional throughout.</p>
<p>Second point. How would we all handle the following situation? I have a freelance friend whose long-time and regular client asked her in January to drop her rate by one-quarter because the client&#8217;s budget had been cut.</p>
<p>Dunno, but for a long-term client that provides a monthly staple, I might agree to it with the stipulation that we revisit the rate in six months. That&#8217;s where our calls to stand firm get complicated, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Anyway, I really appreciate all your comments. It really makes a difference in this tough market.</p>
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		By: Sheri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I&#039;m in the same range as most of you, I do find myself giving more for the money on the back-end these days... &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;ll quote a client&#039;s mailer at full rate, but may throw in an email follow-up or discount down a landing page or special report quite a bit to sweeten deal. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Every metro area is different... mine is ranked among top 3 worst hit in U.S. Plus there are many freelance writers working here, especially with all the layoffs. So supply far outweighs demand.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;While there are still good clients paying decent rates, most now want &quot;extra&quot; value for their buck. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;By the way, spoke with a contract plumber complaining about the same thing! All his customers are demanding way MORE for the same money they spent in past and his colleagues are all undercutting each other! Sound familiar?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m in the same range as most of you, I do find myself giving more for the money on the back-end these days&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quote a client&#8217;s mailer at full rate, but may throw in an email follow-up or discount down a landing page or special report quite a bit to sweeten deal. </p>
<p>Every metro area is different&#8230; mine is ranked among top 3 worst hit in U.S. Plus there are many freelance writers working here, especially with all the layoffs. So supply far outweighs demand.  </p>
<p>While there are still good clients paying decent rates, most now want &#8220;extra&#8221; value for their buck. </p>
<p>By the way, spoke with a contract plumber complaining about the same thing! All his customers are demanding way MORE for the same money they spent in past and his colleagues are all undercutting each other! Sound familiar?</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great link, Katharine. Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great link, Katharine. Thank you!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL! Devon, you are an original! Hey, if Bitch in a Bottle is as effective as Spouse Be Gone (discussed heavily a decade and change ago on a divorce forum), I&#039;ll by the first shipment!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Devon, you are an original! Hey, if Bitch in a Bottle is as effective as Spouse Be Gone (discussed heavily a decade and change ago on a divorce forum), I&#8217;ll by the first shipment!</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding posting an ad on Craig&#039;s list, I haven&#039;t found it useful at all.  I only got requests from people who wanted to argue the rate down to about 1/20th.  No,thanks.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hey, Lori, you wanna peddle me as &quot;Bitch in a Bottle&quot;  Just might work!  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding posting an ad on Craig&#8217;s list, I haven&#8217;t found it useful at all.  I only got requests from people who wanted to argue the rate down to about 1/20th.  No,thanks.</p>
<p>Hey, Lori, you wanna peddle me as &#8220;Bitch in a Bottle&#8221;  Just might work!  😉</p>
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		By: Katharine Swan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katharine Swan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s another rate calculator that I really like:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There&#039;s some ads covering some of the boxes that weren&#039;t there before, so I think it might be optimized for Firefox, which I don&#039;t use.  But if you can see it properly, it&#039;s a really great calculator for determining rates!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another rate calculator that I really like:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/" REL="nofollow">http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s some ads covering some of the boxes that weren&#8217;t there before, so I think it might be optimized for Firefox, which I don&#8217;t use.  But if you can see it properly, it&#8217;s a really great calculator for determining rates!</p>
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