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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michele, agreed. Lowering a little is fine. Lowering them a lot - unacceptable.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Angie, I think that&#039;s a good barometer. If it&#039;s within 20 percent of original rates - great measurement! And a very easy boundary to draw.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele, agreed. Lowering a little is fine. Lowering them a lot &#8211; unacceptable.</p>
<p>Angie, I think that&#8217;s a good barometer. If it&#8217;s within 20 percent of original rates &#8211; great measurement! And a very easy boundary to draw.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen, Devon. If you hire someone who&#039;s not up for the job in the first place, you spin your wheels and spend extra to get everything fixed later. Bad business, if you ask me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Devon. If you hire someone who&#8217;s not up for the job in the first place, you spin your wheels and spend extra to get everything fixed later. Bad business, if you ask me.</p>
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		By: Devon Ellington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t tell you how often potential clients come back to me, having hired writers at a lower rate AND GOTTEN EXACTLY WHAT THEY PAID FOR.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And they want me to fix it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And my rate goes up.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And I get it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hire me the first time at my rate and you get quality -- WHAT YOU PAY FOR.  Hire someone at a lower rate and you get WHAT YOU PAY FOR.  Re-hire me to clean up the mess you created by trying to be cheap and it&#039;s going to cost extra.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how often potential clients come back to me, having hired writers at a lower rate AND GOTTEN EXACTLY WHAT THEY PAID FOR.</p>
<p>And they want me to fix it.</p>
<p>And my rate goes up.</p>
<p>And I get it.</p>
<p>Hire me the first time at my rate and you get quality &#8212; WHAT YOU PAY FOR.  Hire someone at a lower rate and you get WHAT YOU PAY FOR.  Re-hire me to clean up the mess you created by trying to be cheap and it&#8217;s going to cost extra.</p>
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		By: Angie Ledbetter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angie Ledbetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good for you for sticking to your guns and not devaluing your work. I&#039;d think about lowering IF the amount was within 20% of my original bid...but to work basically for free? No. I know how to work lots of other part time stuff outside of freelance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you for sticking to your guns and not devaluing your work. I&#8217;d think about lowering IF the amount was within 20% of my original bid&#8230;but to work basically for free? No. I know how to work lots of other part time stuff outside of freelance.</p>
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		By: Michele		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon&#039;s answer is excellent: &lt;I&gt;...if we don&#039;t respect ourselves, why should anyone else respect us&lt;/I&gt;?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;ve had to turn stuff down. I do lower my rate a little if it means I get to keep my copyright. I think that&#039;s a fair trade and it works for me.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;*smiles*&lt;BR/&gt;Michele]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon&#8217;s answer is excellent: <i>&#8230;if we don&#8217;t respect ourselves, why should anyone else respect us</i>?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to turn stuff down. I do lower my rate a little if it means I get to keep my copyright. I think that&#8217;s a fair trade and it works for me.</p>
<p>*smiles*<br />Michele</p>
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		By: Sheri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate to say it, because I agree with all of you and wouldn&#039;t go that low either. But &quot;you get what you pay for&quot; isn&#039;t always true these days - and clients know it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There are many experienced (and panicked,)writers freshly laid off from newspapers, agencies and corporate jobs that are charging a pittance of what they should to pay the bills while they job hunt. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This in turn changes the game: because clients ARE getting decent work for chump change in many cases. I&#039;m not saying we should feed that frenzy by contributing to it, and of course, specialized  industry experience still carries  clout to clients who seek it. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;m just saying that until the economy improves - which it WILL eventually - maybe we need to find other ways to sell the value of our rates - maybe touting business stability...the fact that we&#039;ll be there for them vs someone simply doing this until they land a job?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;m just brainstorming here...wish I had better answers! When the economy eventually improves, many people will be back in cubicle land, and supply/demand equation may return more to our favor.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sorry for the long post...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it, because I agree with all of you and wouldn&#8217;t go that low either. But &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221; isn&#8217;t always true these days &#8211; and clients know it.</p>
<p>There are many experienced (and panicked,)writers freshly laid off from newspapers, agencies and corporate jobs that are charging a pittance of what they should to pay the bills while they job hunt. </p>
<p>This in turn changes the game: because clients ARE getting decent work for chump change in many cases. I&#8217;m not saying we should feed that frenzy by contributing to it, and of course, specialized  industry experience still carries  clout to clients who seek it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying that until the economy improves &#8211; which it WILL eventually &#8211; maybe we need to find other ways to sell the value of our rates &#8211; maybe touting business stability&#8230;the fact that we&#8217;ll be there for them vs someone simply doing this until they land a job?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just brainstorming here&#8230;wish I had better answers! When the economy eventually improves, many people will be back in cubicle land, and supply/demand equation may return more to our favor.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ruthibelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruthibelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any suggestion of any sites freelance writers can check for regular updatings of what working rates are/ought to be??&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I know it&#039;s kinda off point, but curious.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And I guess because I&#039;m just fresh outta college, I haven&#039;t been too keen on a huge salary. My focus has been experience. I&#039;m good and I know it. And all my past employers know it too. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;m giving myself a year to get the experience and exposure. And then... kaboom!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any suggestion of any sites freelance writers can check for regular updatings of what working rates are/ought to be??</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s kinda off point, but curious.</p>
<p>And I guess because I&#8217;m just fresh outta college, I haven&#8217;t been too keen on a huge salary. My focus has been experience. I&#8217;m good and I know it. And all my past employers know it too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m giving myself a year to get the experience and exposure. And then&#8230; kaboom!!</p>
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		By: Irreverent Freelancer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irreverent Freelancer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another resounding NO. I almost never accept counteroffers. My prices are firm based on years of experience of how long particular items will likely take me to complete. The only acceptions are potential new clients I highball just to see how much I can get and long-term clients who have brought in a lot of money for me over the years. Even then, my discounts are 10-20%. A request for a 90% discount wouldn&#039;t even elicit a response from me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another resounding NO. I almost never accept counteroffers. My prices are firm based on years of experience of how long particular items will likely take me to complete. The only acceptions are potential new clients I highball just to see how much I can get and long-term clients who have brought in a lot of money for me over the years. Even then, my discounts are 10-20%. A request for a 90% discount wouldn&#8217;t even elicit a response from me.</p>
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		By: Gabriella F.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriella F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You did the right thing, Lori.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We both know what&#039;s going to happen. He&#039;s going to get mediocre material and have to work really hard to get it where he wants--if that&#039;s possible. At some point later in the project, he&#039;ll wonder whether he should have upped his budget or reduced the workload a little to work with a true pro. You won&#039;t know when that happens, but it will.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Look, I might negotiate a little, but not when the other side is at 10 percent of an already discounted price. Maybe you&#039;ll get to 30 percent of your discounted price? Nope. I think your time is better spent beating the bushes trying to land other new clients and pitching to those who already value your skills.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;By the way, I&#039;ve been feeling fine recently with enough work for March and April, but Wednesday and Thursday I had a panic attack that maybe nothing would materialize for May.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I&#039;ve been able to calm myself down and refocus. But I think the lesson is that we can&#039;t keep doubting ourselves just because of the economy. We&#039;ve run good business models for years, and they&#039;re still good business models despite the crazy economy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At least that&#039;s what I&#039;m telling myself!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did the right thing, Lori.</p>
<p>We both know what&#8217;s going to happen. He&#8217;s going to get mediocre material and have to work really hard to get it where he wants&#8211;if that&#8217;s possible. At some point later in the project, he&#8217;ll wonder whether he should have upped his budget or reduced the workload a little to work with a true pro. You won&#8217;t know when that happens, but it will.</p>
<p>Look, I might negotiate a little, but not when the other side is at 10 percent of an already discounted price. Maybe you&#8217;ll get to 30 percent of your discounted price? Nope. I think your time is better spent beating the bushes trying to land other new clients and pitching to those who already value your skills.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve been feeling fine recently with enough work for March and April, but Wednesday and Thursday I had a panic attack that maybe nothing would materialize for May.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been able to calm myself down and refocus. But I think the lesson is that we can&#8217;t keep doubting ourselves just because of the economy. We&#8217;ve run good business models for years, and they&#8217;re still good business models despite the crazy economy.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m telling myself!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew your answer before I wrote the post, Devon. :) We agree totally on this point. Ignorance of the market and its prices is understandable if you&#039;ve not hired a writer before. However, it takes just a little homework to see what&#039;s out there and what one can typically expect to pay.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Then again, we have all those writers who&#039;d write 50 articles for $5. If we who do this for a living are measured against those who don&#039;t value themselves, we&#039;re all screwed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew your answer before I wrote the post, Devon. 🙂 We agree totally on this point. Ignorance of the market and its prices is understandable if you&#8217;ve not hired a writer before. However, it takes just a little homework to see what&#8217;s out there and what one can typically expect to pay.</p>
<p>Then again, we have all those writers who&#8217;d write 50 articles for $5. If we who do this for a living are measured against those who don&#8217;t value themselves, we&#8217;re all screwed.</p>
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