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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, Susan - I&#039;d probably take payment in shoes. ;))&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It&#039;s because most of our beginner counterparts in this industry will take anything and let someone else be in charge of what they make. It&#039;s tough coming across a client who has dealt with more beggars than choosers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Susan &#8211; I&#8217;d probably take payment in shoes. ;))</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because most of our beginner counterparts in this industry will take anything and let someone else be in charge of what they make. It&#8217;s tough coming across a client who has dealt with more beggars than choosers.</p>
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		By: Susan Johnston		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lori, I think I responded to that same ad, but I never bothered to send them revision ideas, because I smelled a rat. I feel more comfortable telling prospective clients that &quot;I&#039;m happy to do a sample, but I will need to invoice you for it&quot; rather than saying &quot;if you want a sample you have to pay me.&quot; Most understand that it means the same thing, but I think it&#039;s a little less demanding. I had a client this week who agreed to pay for custom samples (at the same rate we established for the rest f the project) and hired me to do the full project. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Here&#039;s another beef: last week I responded to an ad looking for a copywriter for a shoe website. Since I&#039;ve done retail copy (and you know I&#039;m a sucker for shoes), I emailed a detailed LOI. They quickly responded with a curt one-liner: &quot;I like your style - what are your rates?&quot; &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;For most of us, there isn&#039;t a simple answer. If I don&#039;t know whether I&#039;d be writing 50 word product descriptions or 500 word &quot;about us&quot; and &quot;return policy&quot; pages, how can I send you an accurate quote? I wrote back saying &quot;please call me at XXX so we can discuss your needs. Depending on the scope of the project, I charge by the word, the project, or the hour.&quot; Seems like an honest answer, right? I never heard from them and I suspect it&#039;s because they wanted someone who&#039;d say something dumb like &quot;you can pay me in shoes&quot; or &quot;$.04/word.&quot; Puh-lease!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, I think I responded to that same ad, but I never bothered to send them revision ideas, because I smelled a rat. I feel more comfortable telling prospective clients that &#8220;I&#8217;m happy to do a sample, but I will need to invoice you for it&#8221; rather than saying &#8220;if you want a sample you have to pay me.&#8221; Most understand that it means the same thing, but I think it&#8217;s a little less demanding. I had a client this week who agreed to pay for custom samples (at the same rate we established for the rest f the project) and hired me to do the full project. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another beef: last week I responded to an ad looking for a copywriter for a shoe website. Since I&#8217;ve done retail copy (and you know I&#8217;m a sucker for shoes), I emailed a detailed LOI. They quickly responded with a curt one-liner: &#8220;I like your style &#8211; what are your rates?&#8221; </p>
<p>For most of us, there isn&#8217;t a simple answer. If I don&#8217;t know whether I&#8217;d be writing 50 word product descriptions or 500 word &#8220;about us&#8221; and &#8220;return policy&#8221; pages, how can I send you an accurate quote? I wrote back saying &#8220;please call me at XXX so we can discuss your needs. Depending on the scope of the project, I charge by the word, the project, or the hour.&#8221; Seems like an honest answer, right? I never heard from them and I suspect it&#8217;s because they wanted someone who&#8217;d say something dumb like &#8220;you can pay me in shoes&#8221; or &#8220;$.04/word.&#8221; Puh-lease!</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, Iris. There are times we&#039;re going to find ourselves writing for free, even if it&#039;s a paragraph or two. Like you said, in those cases (and at your own discretion), it&#039;s fine. It&#039;s when they want full proposals without any commitment that I dig in my heels. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Maybe keep those samples around for the next person who asks what the difference is? Better yet, maybe we should have a section on our websites where we can send clients - something that would give them an instant sample and explanation. Might work pretty well!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Iris. There are times we&#8217;re going to find ourselves writing for free, even if it&#8217;s a paragraph or two. Like you said, in those cases (and at your own discretion), it&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s when they want full proposals without any commitment that I dig in my heels. </p>
<p>Maybe keep those samples around for the next person who asks what the difference is? Better yet, maybe we should have a section on our websites where we can send clients &#8211; something that would give them an instant sample and explanation. Might work pretty well!</p>
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		By: Iris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lori,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I agree with the consensus that, beyond a shadow of doubt, freelancers need to charge for proposals.  I charge for my time and I charge a flat hourly rate for all the work I produce: proposals, edits, new content I write, etc.  I don’t charge for attending meetings though.  Just for actual work I produce.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sometimes clients will ask about my editing fees and I’ll tell them it depends on whether they want something proofread or edited.  Invariably, they’ll ask what the difference is and I&#039;ll proofread and edit the same bit of text – usually a paragraph or so – show them the difference and give them an estimate of how long each service will take.  Often, the client will want editing services at proofreading rates.  This is when I have to stick to my guns and say: Sorry, I can ‘t do that.  These sample edits then end up as work for which I don’t get compensated but I don’t mind that so much.  It’s the nature of the freelance beast, I didn&#039;t invest &lt;I&gt;too&lt;/I&gt; much time in it and it’s not my original content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lori,</p>
<p>I agree with the consensus that, beyond a shadow of doubt, freelancers need to charge for proposals.  I charge for my time and I charge a flat hourly rate for all the work I produce: proposals, edits, new content I write, etc.  I don’t charge for attending meetings though.  Just for actual work I produce.</p>
<p>Sometimes clients will ask about my editing fees and I’ll tell them it depends on whether they want something proofread or edited.  Invariably, they’ll ask what the difference is and I&#8217;ll proofread and edit the same bit of text – usually a paragraph or so – show them the difference and give them an estimate of how long each service will take.  Often, the client will want editing services at proofreading rates.  This is when I have to stick to my guns and say: Sorry, I can ‘t do that.  These sample edits then end up as work for which I don’t get compensated but I don’t mind that so much.  It’s the nature of the freelance beast, I didn&#8217;t invest <i>too</i> much time in it and it’s not my original content.</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joseph, that&#039;s a great analogy. I&#039;m through with verbal tips, too. If my existing samples don&#039;t show you what you want to see, pay for a sample. I&#039;m happy to provide it once the check clears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, that&#8217;s a great analogy. I&#8217;m through with verbal tips, too. If my existing samples don&#8217;t show you what you want to see, pay for a sample. I&#8217;m happy to provide it once the check clears.</p>
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		By: Joseph Hayes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Hayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it is perfectly fine to charge for any part of your expertise. Designers suggesting logo concepts charge before they actually get the job - and they don&#039;t give away the killer design, either - and clients seem to be fine with that.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have no fear in asking for a fee, and not giving myself away in the process either. The ones who do accept it make up for the ones who don&#039;t, because they&#039;re actually willing to ask for my best work. There&#039;s something in the restaurant business called the &quot;verbal tip&quot; ... I&#039;m not going to tip you, but let me tell you how great the service was! I&#039;m too old and too qualified for verbal tips.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is perfectly fine to charge for any part of your expertise. Designers suggesting logo concepts charge before they actually get the job &#8211; and they don&#8217;t give away the killer design, either &#8211; and clients seem to be fine with that.</p>
<p>I have no fear in asking for a fee, and not giving myself away in the process either. The ones who do accept it make up for the ones who don&#8217;t, because they&#8217;re actually willing to ask for my best work. There&#8217;s something in the restaurant business called the &#8220;verbal tip&#8221; &#8230; I&#8217;m not going to tip you, but let me tell you how great the service was! I&#8217;m too old and too qualified for verbal tips.</p>
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		By: Kimberly Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kimberly Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, this is a timely topic. I rarely  give out detailed advice without being hired first. I learned that mostly based on the experiences of other writers who have had work stolen.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Amy Derby was receiving so many questions about the services she provided that she wisely started offering consultation services.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do charge a consulting fee for meeting with clients in person. In the early days of setting up my business I had several prospects wanting to meet in person waste my time. Besides, I had to make childcare arrangements,etc. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is such an important topic because there are lots of unscrupulous people out there scamming for free content. Thanks for bring this up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a timely topic. I rarely  give out detailed advice without being hired first. I learned that mostly based on the experiences of other writers who have had work stolen.</p>
<p>Amy Derby was receiving so many questions about the services she provided that she wisely started offering consultation services.</p>
<p>I do charge a consulting fee for meeting with clients in person. In the early days of setting up my business I had several prospects wanting to meet in person waste my time. Besides, I had to make childcare arrangements,etc. </p>
<p>This is such an important topic because there are lots of unscrupulous people out there scamming for free content. Thanks for bring this up.</p>
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		By: Angie Ledbetter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angie Ledbetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole industry sometimes makes us desperate for work when there are so many starving writers who will work for pennies on the dollar just for a clip or to get established. As for the writing/editing job scams -- they abound on the Net.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole industry sometimes makes us desperate for work when there are so many starving writers who will work for pennies on the dollar just for a clip or to get established. As for the writing/editing job scams &#8212; they abound on the Net.</p>
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		By: Kathryn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a proposal package that I put together for my grant writing part of my freelance writing.  It only includes finding potential grants and not actually getting any money (or even applying for grants).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I had never thought about doing something similar for my online content freelance writing.  It makes sense, I just have &quot;never seen it done that way before&quot; ;)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No more creating new content with out compensation.  If they don&#039;t like my clips and they don&#039;t want to pay then I&#039;m better off somewhere else anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a proposal package that I put together for my grant writing part of my freelance writing.  It only includes finding potential grants and not actually getting any money (or even applying for grants).</p>
<p>I had never thought about doing something similar for my online content freelance writing.  It makes sense, I just have &#8220;never seen it done that way before&#8221; 😉</p>
<p>No more creating new content with out compensation.  If they don&#8217;t like my clips and they don&#8217;t want to pay then I&#8217;m better off somewhere else anyway.</p>
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		By: Irreverent Freelancer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irreverent Freelancer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never, ever write full proposals, articles, what have you on spec, but where do you draw the line? I&#039;m getting to the point where I&#039;m unwilling to give out any professional advice without being paid for it. Case in point, I recently responded to a job ad for a press release. The poster requested a headline to show what direction the writer would take the angle. Fair enough. It took me all of three minutes to devise a pretty darn good one. The job poster emailed me back and said he loved it, how much would I charge to develop it? Once I quoted him a price, I never heard back from him. No doubt, he took my angle that he loved and either wrote the press release himself or hired someone else at half my rate. Either way, it ticks me off that my creativity went uncompensated and probably brought in quite a bit of money for the cheapskate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never, ever write full proposals, articles, what have you on spec, but where do you draw the line? I&#8217;m getting to the point where I&#8217;m unwilling to give out any professional advice without being paid for it. Case in point, I recently responded to a job ad for a press release. The poster requested a headline to show what direction the writer would take the angle. Fair enough. It took me all of three minutes to devise a pretty darn good one. The job poster emailed me back and said he loved it, how much would I charge to develop it? Once I quoted him a price, I never heard back from him. No doubt, he took my angle that he loved and either wrote the press release himself or hired someone else at half my rate. Either way, it ticks me off that my creativity went uncompensated and probably brought in quite a bit of money for the cheapskate.</p>
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